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Solstad1069 #1 Posted 04 July 2020 - 03:32 PM

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A few days ago i installed WOT after a 2 months break.

Last night i found out they had removed the 105 mm gun on the tier 5 french TD. 
WTF WG, was this really necessary, you had to ruin the only fun tank, and the ONLY tank worth keeping at this whole TD line.
Sorry to say WG, but you are totally incompetent in fixing your own game, the french TD line DONT NEED NERFES. Its like kicking someone thats on the ground.
 

Then the game after, i lost 600 HP from a tier 5 arty playing a tier 6 medium. Thats 75% of my total HP, but thats ok WG. I call [edited], pure and simple [edited]. 

Are there any other tank nerfes, guns removed, in the patch notes, as i need to clear out of my garage?


Edited by Solstad1069, 04 July 2020 - 03:32 PM.


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View PostSolstad1069, on 04 July 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

WTF WG, was this really necessary, you had to ruin the only fun tank, and the ONLY tank worth keeping at this whole TD line.
Sorry to say WG, but you are totally incompetent in fixing your own game, the french TD line DONT NEED NERFES. Its like kicking someone thats on the ground

 

You might not have thought so. So the argument on how incompetent they were on that depends on who you ask I guess. Some loved the gun on it, others hated it and thought that AP alpha had nothing to do on tier 5. Many low to mid-tiers lost their high alpha guns or derps when the tech tree changes came. Mainly padder tanks Inc the one-shot derp on the Crusier II, or the ROF on the Pz 1c.

 

The complete list of changes, inc gun and tier changes that patch can be found here.

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/content/docs/release-notes/Release-Notes-1-9/

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 04 July 2020 - 03:50 PM.


Blackadder83 #3 Posted 04 July 2020 - 03:50 PM

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Yep, they ruined the only redeeming quality of the Bathtub ... now it's so plain and boring. Sold mine, not really much use of it.

wsatnutter #4 Posted 04 July 2020 - 04:05 PM

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View PostSolstad1069, on 04 July 2020 - 02:32 PM, said:

A few days ago i installed WOT after a 2 months break.

Last night i found out they had removed the 105 mm gun on the tier 5 french TD. 
WTF WG, was this really necessary, you had to ruin the only fun tank, and the ONLY tank worth keeping at this whole TD line.
Sorry to say WG, but you are totally incompetent in fixing your own game, the french TD line DONT NEED NERFES. Its like kicking someone thats on the ground.
 

Then the game after, i lost 600 HP from a tier 5 arty playing a tier 6 medium. Thats 75% of my total HP, but thats ok WG. I call [edited], pure and simple [edited]. 

Are there any other tank nerfes, guns removed, in the patch notes, as i need to clear out of my garage?

do your own home work but i can invoice you for the info 

[edited] what a cheek


Edited by Homer_J, 05 July 2020 - 03:52 PM.
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Solstad1069 #5 Posted 04 July 2020 - 04:32 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 04 July 2020 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

You might not have thought so. So the argument on how incompetent they were on that depends on who you ask I guess. Some loved the gun on it, others hated it and thought that AP alpha had nothing to do on tier 5. Many low to mid-tiers lost their high alpha guns or derps when the tech tree changes came. Mainly padder tanks Inc the one-shot derp on the Crusier II, or the ROF on the Pz 1c.

 

The complete list of changes, inc gun and tier changes that patch can be found here.

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/content/docs/release-notes/Release-Notes-1-9/

 

 

Thanks for the link too bad 99% of these changes are about HP changes and ammo capacity, removing a gun is something totally different.
 

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View PostBlackadder83, on 04 July 2020 - 03:50 PM, said:

Yep, they ruined the only redeeming quality of the Bathtub ... now it's so plain and boring. Sold mine, not really much use of it.



Selling mine too,  when i log in tonight, guess its the last i see from the french TD line.
Kind of makes me wonder why they did this, was the tank flooding the server at tier 5 making it impossible for others to enjoy the game?
NO ffs, you could play tier 5 all night long and hardly come across anyone.

RIP french TD line.

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View Postwsatnutter, on 04 July 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

do your own home work but i can invoice you for the info 

[edited] what a cheek


Thanks for nothing!



nc30_guy #6 Posted 04 July 2020 - 04:45 PM

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Hp buffs where a stupid idea also they should have just removed gold ammo limited crew skills up to t3 then at t4 just removed 105mm guns until t6 so less one shots.

Also the idea t5 tanks now have a hp advantage over the next tier is stupid and the hp deficit once you lose a vehicle grows greater making it harder to win once you lose 2 or 3 vehicles and in turn as hp has been increased alpha has been reduced in comparison the vehicles hp pool.


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105 mm was OP, especially with gold ammo. I don't understand how and why they let it be in the game for so long.

But of course some tier 5 stat-padder won't be happy about their little toy being nerfed.

Protip - just use 17pdr, it's still a very good gun.

 

View Postnc30_guy, on 04 July 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

Also the idea t5 tanks now have a hp advantage over the next tier is stupid

They don't because tier 6 was buffed too...

Tier 7 is in a bad place, because it was never really a good tier and now you have to deal with hordes of strong tier 8 prems or buffed tier 6s.



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View Postnc30_guy, on 04 July 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Hp buffs where a stupid idea also they should have just removed gold ammo limited crew skills up to t3 then at t4 just removed 105mm guns until t6 so less one shots.

 

The only 105's left are the historical guns. Those that never had it, inc derps lost theirs. And I'm sure removing the 152mm on the KV-2 is something everyone would agree too. Even so, the paper TDs at tier 5 etc that got more HP is a good thing regardless. Sure they can now take a 105 derp hit, but on lower tiers the extra HP won't punish them instantly for their mistakes. As that's one of the reasons why new players left so fast.

 

View Postnc30_guy, on 04 July 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Also the idea t5 tanks now have a hp advantage over the next tier is stupid

 

Nope. The tier 5's that had more HP vs a tier 6, had that before the HP buff too. As in a KV-1 vs a Type 64 to name one. But not a KV-1 vs a KV-85, as in the same class. The HP gap vs tanks on tier 5 vs 6 of the same class was up to from 250 to over 300 before. Now it's 80 to 200. As that was the idea of the HP buff. To minimalize the HP gap between lower tiers. As that was massive tier for tier from 1 to 5 vs on tier 6 and up. So that in a 1 on 1, the tier 5 meds have a better chance if they play well to still get out alive if he can get a shot or two extra in early. Vs being a 2 to 4 hit before, and needing 6 to 10 to kill the enemy medium. I don't see that as bad tbh.



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i can agree on pretty much everything you said, apart from one thing - bathtub was not the only good tank on a french td line - Foch(tier9) is really good as well ;)

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View Postno_skill_bob, on 04 July 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

i can agree on pretty much everything you said, apart from one thing - bathtub was not the only good tank on a french td line - Foch(tier9) is really good as well ;)

 

Depends on the driver. :)



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View PostSolstad1069, on 04 July 2020 - 02:32 PM, said:

A few days ago i installed WOT after a 2 months break.

 

Looks like you'll be uninstalling again then. 



tajj7 #12 Posted 04 July 2020 - 09:41 PM

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Not sure how removing a 330 alpha gun on tier 5 is a bad thing. 

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View Posttajj7, on 04 July 2020 - 10:41 PM, said:

Not sure how removing a 330 alpha gun on tier 5 is a bad thing. 

wg should start removing anything above 750 at tier 10 as well then.



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View Posttajj7, on 04 July 2020 - 08:41 PM, said:

Not sure how removing a 330 alpha gun on tier 5 is a bad thing. 

removing 500 alpha HE shells from wheelies wouldn't be bad either:trollface:



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View Postno_skill_bob, on 04 July 2020 - 08:55 PM, said:

wg should start removing anything above 750 at tier 10 as well then.

 

Yeh they should, but doesn't mean 330 alpha on tier 5 was not broken. 

 

View Post24doom24, on 04 July 2020 - 09:01 PM, said:

removing 500 alpha HE shells from wheelies wouldn't be bad either:trollface:

 

500 with 105mm of pen against tanks with an average of 2k HP, as apposed to 330 damage with over 200 pen against tanks with an average of like 600 HP, yeh totally the same.

 

When the EBR can two shot most of the tanks on it's tier you might have a point, until then you don't. 



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If you want big guns at low tiers, buy the SU-100Y. That's sure to never get changed. Enjoy the tier 10 heavy tank alpha at tier 6.

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View Posttajj7, on 05 July 2020 - 12:46 AM, said:

 

Yeh they should, but doesn't mean 330 alpha on tier 5 was not broken. 

 

 

500 with 105mm of pen against tanks with an average of 2k HP, as apposed to 330 damage with over 200 pen against tanks with an average of like 600 HP, yeh totally the same.

 

When the EBR can two shot most of the tanks on it's tier you might have a point, until then you don't. 

sure, i can agree that it was never balanced, especially before low tier hp buff, hell even arl 44 with that gun is playable :D

now the question is, should tier 6 have 390+ alpha, same thing, as tier 5 with 330, tier 6 really shouldn't have that high alpha, O-I and kv-2 derps are kind of okish, but cant say the same thing about su 100y, kv-85 and su 100.



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 04 July 2020 - 06:58 PM, said:

105 mm was OP, especially with gold ammo. I don't understand how and why they let it be in the game for so long.

But of course some tier 5 stat-padder won't be happy about their little toy being nerfed.

Protip - just use 17pdr, it's still a very good gun.

 

 


If it was such a good statpadder why was there hardly any of them around? The tank was balanced even with the big gun.

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View PostBordhaw, on 04 July 2020 - 09:27 PM, said:

 

Looks like you'll be uninstalling again then. 

No, but the bathtub is gone.
I uninstall in august i think.

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View Posttajj7, on 04 July 2020 - 09:41 PM, said:

Not sure how removing a 330 alpha gun on tier 5 is a bad thing. 

Because there was no reason. It was never OP in any sence.



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View PostSolstad1069, on 05 July 2020 - 06:38 AM, said:

 

Because there was no reason. It was never OP in any sence.

 

The Fv4005 is not OP, it's still not balanced.

 

The whole point of the lower tier HP change was to give newer players a chance to survive a bit longer, learn the game a bit more, not be whacked out of the game so quickly. Removing a gun that can two shot most tanks on tier 5 (and some on tier 6 with high rolls) and pretty much auto-pens, is part of that direction. 

 

No tank should be doing more than half the HP of a medium tank in one shot, especially on a tier where people are learning the game and tend to make more mistakes. 



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View Postsplash_time, on 04 July 2020 - 08:12 PM, said:

 

Depends on the driver. :)

 

Surely that's true of all tanks - the space between the keyboard and chair is probably the single most important factor in tank performance :)






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