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trispect #1 Posted 10 July 2020 - 10:31 PM

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Everything possible installed: (BiA, Food, improved equipment) the full reload is about 45 secs and reload of the first shell just under 9 seconds. Seriously, if this goes live the tank can be sold. Not even OP tank totally butchered.

 

And if not running food and improved equipment: Full reload 49 seconds and clip reload  15/13/11/9.4 :D:D:D


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Kdingo #2 Posted 10 July 2020 - 10:39 PM

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Saves me the hassle to grind it.

Balc0ra #3 Posted 10 July 2020 - 10:53 PM

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Atm with food, mine now has 12.2/10.7/9.1/7.6 now. And with my STB-1 having just under 6 seconds for his 360 alpha shot. Burst and run is what you still have to do vs most. Then again, considering most just sit there with their 13+ reload on the last shot as is vs relocating. I don't know why they had to nerf it that much. As even now it has the worst DPM of any tier X med. 

Kdingo #4 Posted 10 July 2020 - 11:00 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 July 2020 - 10:53 PM, said:

I don't know why they had to nerf it that much. As even now it has the worst DPM of any tier X med. 

 

2 reasons:

 

1. Its not russian.

2. Enough have it and polish meds are on the horizon so the right time to nerf it to ensure people are more hyped for the next, most likely purposely to strong on release, tank line.



no_skill_bob #5 Posted 10 July 2020 - 11:08 PM

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Meh, if char futur works, this will still work as well. Its not like it is a dpm monster now, but somehow i still averaged nearly 3,6k dpg over 230 battles. Dpm is not everything.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 10 July 2020 - 11:17 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 10 July 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

 

2 reasons:

 

1. Its not russian.

2. Enough have it and polish meds are on the horizon so the right time to nerf it to ensure people are more hyped for the next, most likely purposely to strong on release, tank line.

 

Well, it has a high server WR on all servers. But.. the STB-1 is still the best WR tech tree tank on all servers. And on RU it barely beat the BC 25 with 0.03% that has more bust damage, and more DPM vs it. I get the impact some really good players has in this that Steve wants a nerf. But still. 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 July 2020 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

Well, it has a high server WR on all servers. But.. the STB-1 is still the best WR tech tree tank on all servers. And on RU it barely beat the BC 25 with 0.03% that has more bust damage, and more DPM vs it. I get the impact some really good players has in this that Steve wants a nerf. But still. 

 

Its not about it being nerfed, which i think is understandable and justified, but how harsh its nerfed. If it would be a russian tank they would have nerfed its accuracy by 0.01 and call it balanced.



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Gun rammer removed from premium Progetto as well. 

Desyatnik_Pansy #9 Posted 10 July 2020 - 11:42 PM

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View Postr2pp2r, on 10 July 2020 - 11:32 PM, said:

Gun rammer removed from premium Progetto as well. 

 

Atleast they did something to the worst of the bunch. Like if I had to pick any Italian tank that actually deserved a nerf, it was that one.



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View PostKdingo, on 10 July 2020 - 10:21 PM, said:

 

Its not about it being nerfed, which i think is understandable and justified, but how harsh its nerfed. If it would be a russian tank they would have nerfed its accuracy by 0.01 and call it balanced.

According to them, 270mm is a weakspot.



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 10 July 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

According to them, 270mm is a weakspot.

 

If it's weaker than 300mm, clearly. :trollface:



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What most of you need to understand is that it became very apparent that there were little to no disadvantages to having an autoreloader. It literally became the best of both worlds (single shot vs autoloader), without having to trade anything for it. The removal of the gun rammer actually puts these vehicles into a position where the autoreloading mechanic must be utilised properly.

 

Keep in mind that while the vehicles lose the rammer, they now will mount Vents instead (assuming that the other two slots are optics and stabilizer). This means that yes, you trade in a chunk of raw DPM potential, but gain in other fields such as view range, aim time and the overall dynamics of the vehicle.

 

Another thing that is very crucial to remember is that when fully reloaded, the burst DPM remains unchanged for all these vehicles, as the intra-clip reloading times aren't touched whatsoever.


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remove the gun rammer from progetto 46 in the same way, thereby worsening the tank itself, will compensation be paid to the players who bought it?

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View PostPubHorn, on 10 July 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

remove the gun rammer from progetto 46 in the same way, thereby worsening the tank itself, will compensation be paid to the players who bought it?

They cant change a premium tank like this, i bet they revert back to how it was before and then soft/hidden nerf it



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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 10 July 2020 - 11:42 PM, said:

Atleast they did something to the worst of the bunch. Like if I had to pick any Italian tank that actually deserved a nerf, it was that one.

 

This should go well with its owners. :P Brace for a lot of rant/refund threads.

 

Can WG even nerf premium tanks indirectly like this? I mean, technically, even the WV change will affect the premium wheelie too. However, old prem TDs still have that extra camo when firing... :sceptic: Hmm...



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View Postvidribbin, on 11 July 2020 - 12:51 AM, said:

They cant change a premium tank like this, i bet they revert back to how it was before and then soft/hidden nerf it

Initially, it was planned that they would change 9 / 10lvl, according to information from ST they would also change 8 including progetto 46, on the WoT ru-region forum they delete topics about the nerf progetto 46 and block accounts for 14 days.



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If the tank gets nerfed, people have to look for other tanks that fit their play style. Typical.

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Funny thing is that people are talking about the Progetto while WG is trying to shaft bond gains massively.

 

50, per tier X, per week. REALLY?!



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View Posttrispect, on 10 July 2020 - 11:31 PM, said:

Everything possible installed: (BiA, Food, improved equipment) the full reload is about 45 secs and reload of the first shell just under 9 seconds. Seriously, if this goes live the tank can be sold. Not even OP tank totally butchered.

 

And if not running food and improved equipment: Full reload 49 seconds and clip reload  15/13/11/9.4 :D:D:D


Did you test Progetto 46 too ?

LE: Progetto 46 can't mount rammer either.

27.5s (25s in current version) for full clip reload without BIA/food/directives.

04:47 Added after 5 minute

View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 11 July 2020 - 12:42 AM, said:

 

Atleast they did something to the worst of the bunch. Like if I had to pick any Italian tank that actually deserved a nerf, it was that one.


Oh good, are we to take it this is an official WG statement ?

Or you forgot you are now technically working for the company ?


Edited by VarzA, 11 July 2020 - 05:47 AM.


JocMeister #20 Posted 11 July 2020 - 05:54 AM

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What did they do to Standard B? Currently grinding marks on it and I can´t understand why they want to nerf it. 




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