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Tune in to Twitch where eekeeboo will talk with our Head of Design about Equipment 2.0 and future developments.

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Naydenshaco #2 Posted 11 July 2020 - 01:17 PM

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If you want these new equipment to be useful you need to remove rammer&vents or just rammer from game.Otherwise people will still be using rammer vents 99% of the time.After all this is tank arcade game where dealing dmg matters the most.People will always choose dpm over anything else.

Remove rammer and vents and u have diversity in equipment.

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Shrewd_Ape_In_The_Mist #4 Posted 11 July 2020 - 02:01 PM

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In the first place having a "diversity" in equipment is a nonsensical and unnecessary idea because all they needed to do is slightly reworking existing equipment instead of adding more parts of equipment that nobody sane will ever mount because it's simply not worth it. I mean I don't know about you but I can totally see myself disregarding rammer so I could mount a piece of equipment that makes my turret turn a bit faster KAPPA. It doesn't matter if it's a necessary change for the game or not though as that's not WG's goal. In the end it's another one of WG's schemes to try and force players to spend more credits and gold because when you'd have more pieces of equipment to buy since depending on the tank you'd want to mount different pieces of equipment on it then naturally you'd need to spend more credits to buy the pieces and then more gold if you'd want to demount and you'd have more opportunities to demount as well. Not as it is now when you're able to buy only a few kinds of equipment when there's a discount and then you can mount it on basically any and every tank because currently on every tank the best possible combination is among the few pieces you've bought. However when they'd achieve the real "diversity", discount or not, you'd need to spend a lot more credits on different and on more pieces of equipment than you currently do since now the few pieces of equipment you were buying before are not worth mounting on every tank all the same. Now there'd be a different ones more worth it on some tanks. As the changes to the equipment don't make sense at first glace when we've a better state of the game in our mind as our main goal then they're doing it to milk the players again instead because this does make sense.
TL;DR: "game doesn't matter, money does" - your boy WG

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We've already joined the developer talk for 10 years giving feedback that has been allocated to a remote location where the sun don't shine.

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This hardly will be two way talk.

 

Current  equipment works fine for 10 years and is one of the least criticised features of the game.

 

So they have that idea that putting more complexity and color  and ton of uselles new things is a change for the sake of change and  is the sign of progress and  they will do this regardless whatever their custommers  say.

If they would  listen they would stop it already with maybe little pardon

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But vanity will bring us equiment twoa, woa.

While 100 times more import things in game wait,or maybe never will be adressed.


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View PostoBmg, on 11 July 2020 - 03:36 PM, said:

This hardly will be two way talk.

 

Current  equipment works fine for 10 years and is one of the least criticised features of the game.

 

So they have that idea that putting more complexity and color  and ton of uselles new things is a change for the sake of change and  is the sign of progress and  they will do this regardless whatever their custommers  say.

If they would  listen they would stop it already with maybe little pardon

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But vanity will bring us equiment twoa, woa.

While 100 times more import things in game wait,or maybe never will be adressed.

 

In World of Warplanes, the equipment rework has made every single piece of equipment useable and useful depending on the type of plane you're flying, or what playstyle you prefer. It's complex and requires some thought.

 

The equipment in WoT is one of the most dumbed down parts of the game. It's always Rammer,VStab,Vents or Rammer,Vents,Optics or Rammer,Vstab,Optics. It's the same 4 pieces of equipment being used over and over in different combinations.



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dont do it, end of conversation

Erwin_Von_Braun #9 Posted 11 July 2020 - 05:55 PM

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I'm all for new equipment.

What I object to is being shafted on my Bounty Equipment that was SOLD to me under the premise of it being equal to Bond Equipment.

Either you keep them equal, or I'll have my money back.



parim1331 #10 Posted 11 July 2020 - 09:42 PM

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View PostLK_4D4, on 11 July 2020 - 05:38 PM, said:

dont do it, end of conversation

 

Why do you think that these changes shouldn't be implemented?



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If this is going to happen as it looks like, then I would ask WG to:

1) Demount ALL equipment from ALL tanks in our garage FOR FREE. Handing out a dozen demount kits when we have plenty of equipment loadouts to re-think and forcing us to pay for it WITH GOLD would just be a [edited] move

2) Have an equipment discount run for A FULL WEEK; so if we need to re-equip some tanks, we can do so at a discount. (Some people run the auto-equip mod and will need to buy 25 binoculars because now you have to pay gold to demount it). 

 

You advertised bounty equipment as being exactly as bond equipment, so why the difference with 2.0??



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View Postparim1331, on 11 July 2020 - 08:42 PM, said:

 

Why do you think that these changes shouldn't be implemented?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltJEFsPW_GE

 

 

there are tanks which are already broken (not necessarily tank from video) but point is with some crazy builds which we can observe from content creators they will be broken even more... 

 



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next piece of equipment they will make up is probably gold armour to deflect gold ammo to squeeze and strangle a few more cents out of all of us.

I also don't see any need for equipment change, as DPM and view range increase currently are what matters and works. In equipment 2.0, all I saw is borderline broken (spotting) equipment and useless vehicle mobility buffs noone can make use of due to WG's flawed map design.

But we can still negotiate, WG. I'll force myself to try to tolerate equipment 2.0+ as soon as you have handled/reworked/removed gold ammo and have the MM provide us with 50% battles with 1 arty per team and 50% battles without one.
Deal?

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View Postparim1331, on 11 July 2020 - 11:42 PM, said:

 

Why do you think that these changes shouldn't be implemented?


Hey I am also a veteran player and I feel the changes are made for sake of changes, nobody complained about equipment and replacing it wrong will only make veteran players leave more (which is already happening for years now). And let's face it , the new players will be less and less.  Which in the end means less money spent on your game and unless you want World of Tanks to look like World of Warplanes in 1-2 years you will not make changes to what is actually working in the game. People are not complaining about equipment or equipment options , they are complaning about MM tiers, creeped old tech tree (and old premium tanks : KV5, Jagdtiger 88 etc - which you said you will fix and everyone is still not playing them because the buffs were quite insignificant) and special ammo usage (the gold ammo - this can be removed entirely as an option , refund it with gold ammo and allow players to use only AP and HE ) . Check my payments for World of Tanks to see I am not a free to play player and I spend quite a lot ..... However I think I will stop buying anything and in fact stop playing for good if you persist with a one sided approach .....


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View PostNaydenshaco, on 11 July 2020 - 01:17 PM, said:

If you want these new equipment to be useful you need to remove rammer&vents or just rammer from game.Otherwise people will still be using rammer vents 99% of the time.After all this is tank arcade game where dealing dmg matters the most.People will always choose dpm over anything else.

Remove rammer and vents and u have diversity in equipment.

why remove rammer? i don't want that, why not adding extra slots? everybody is sooooooo afraid of this idea.... "bUt iT Will rUiN tHE bAlAncE of tHe GaMe".... we have 20 equipments but we can ONLY use 3, because reasons



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View PostMaltratatoru, on 12 July 2020 - 03:53 AM, said:

why remove rammer? i don't want that, why not adding extra slots? everybody is sooooooo afraid of this idea.... "bUt iT Will rUiN tHE bAlAncE of tHe GaMe".... we have 20 equipments but we can ONLY use 3, because reasons

 

Because more equipment slots will, once again, be a burden on new players, and free to play players, since the costs don't go down. Increase slots to 4, now you can expect to pay 2 mil on top of a new tank if you want to be competitive.



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View PostMisago, on 12 July 2020 - 08:35 AM, said:

 

Because more equipment slots will, once again, be a burden on new players, and free to play players, since the costs don't go down. Increase slots to 4, now you can expect to pay 2 mil on top of a new tank if you want to be competitive.

pffff...  really? :|  i too was a free to play, long time ago, and today, with the missions and all the new stuff is not that hard to buy one new equipment. if you can buy 3 equipments, you can buy the fourth too.



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 11 July 2020 - 04:22 PM, said:

 

In World of Warplanes, the equipment rework has made every single piece of equipment useable and useful depending on the type of plane you're flying, or what playstyle you prefer. It's complex and requires some thought.

 

The equipment in WoT is one of the most dumbed down parts of the game. It's always Rammer,VStab,Vents or Rammer,Vents,Optics or Rammer,Vstab,Optics. It's the same 4 pieces of equipment being used over and over in different combinations.

 

Yes,  World of Warplanes introduced similar philosophy of colurfull equipment extravaganza(which almost nobody asked).

Is that game still alive?

 

Last time I played it on my other account , 1,5 years go I think, it was this colourful equipment extravaganza  introduced with players able to calibrate  for  0.05 % improvement over one feature of the plane, while losing 0,03% of the other? Of course I stopped to play it soon.

I guess they wanted to introduce more things that  can be exploited for profit, monetizing peaces of equipment and additions for "improvement" adding just another new imposed neccessity for players without real substance.

 

So, I see, WG thinks to achieve simillar way of equiment "progress" , now in tanks to?Despite very few people ever asked for some changes in this field, especially compared to other things that WERE asked to be changed.

 

They will lose even more  players..At first ,I predict, as allways  they will attract some players because of novelty, and than, because there is no real substance in it,only annoying complexity and imposed additional "neccessity ", game will  start  further decline with desperate attempt of bot introduction to postpone inevitable.

Just like World of Warplanes.

 

My plea to WG- No you will not get more profit from it, you will lose players and profit. There is no life, no new valuable substance that this brings to the game.


 


 


 


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I did Sandbox 1 and Sandbox 2 testing of Equipment 2.0 changes.

I found that some of the ideas were good (combining discreet items that were little or not used in 1 complete item), Improved

Rotation, and some others (already spoken about at length on Sandbox thread).

And I found they improved the handling of a lot of vehicles (depending on what you chose of course). So I did agree  that SOME

of these changes were for the better (omitting the 'having to pay' to remove Binos/Camo/Toolkit which have been free for 10yrs).

 

BUT, what I don't agree with (and have re-iterated many times now), is the CONSTANT POWER CREEP in this game.

WG are at it again in this latest Common Test.  PLEASE STOP IT, you are running the game down hill.

 

As many of the player base have said over the last several years, they want WG to sort out the MM balance issue and

STOP TURBO GAMES and now common walkover results of 15-6 in 5 or 6 mins (sometimes even less time).

 

That is where the fun of this (genius) game is going downhill fast.  Equipment changes no one really wanted (asked), Bonus

slots or Bonus percentage equipment is only benefiting those who have spent (and will spend much more), real money to win

the battles.

 

Also from a few changes back, spamming Gold (Special) Ammo is now de-facto!  So no matter what you do to the armour,

people will load up more and more Gold Ammo and hit you with that, so you might as well remove Standard AP/APCR/HE

altogether and be done with it, and move to an ENTIRELY PAY TO PLAY TO WIN model and be done with the slowly, slowly

approach.

 

Those veterans will remember the earlier days when things were a little more equal (tanks/players/equipment), and the fun factor

was ohhh sooo much higher, not to mention the Tactical element and the fact the tanks were iconic and looked good.

 

 

 



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View PostoBmg, on 12 July 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

Yes,  World of Warplanes introduced similar philosophy of colurfull equipment extravaganza(which almost nobody asked).

Is that game still alive?

 

Last time I played it on my other account , 1,5 years go I think, it was this colourful equipment extravaganza  introduced with players able to calibrate  for  0.05 % improvement over one feature of the plane, while losing 0,03% of the other? Of course I stopped to play it soon.

I guess they wanted to introduce more things that  can be exploited for profit, monetising peaces of equipment and additions for "improvement" adding just another new imposed necessity for players without real substance.

 

So, I see, WG thinks to achieve simillar way of equiment "progress" , now in tanks to?Despite very few people ever asked for some changes in this field, especially compared to other things that WERE asked to be changed.

 

They will lose even more  players..At first ,I predict, t,  they will attract some players because of novelty, and than, because there is no real substance in it,only annoying complexity and imposed "neccessity ", game will  start terminal decline with desperate attempt of bot introduction to postpone inevitable.

Just like World of Warplanes.

 

It's alive, more or less. It's a good distraction from WoT and is a good source of free xp and gold which can be used in WoT.

 

One flight a day for a week and you get a box, which can contain premium planes, gold, free xp, premium days...not all the time though, but I did get 20k free xp from one last week.

 

The positive/negative effects of equipment is an interesting mechanic. Every plane will have slightly different characteristics because of it.

 

There's also this thing where you complete a certain mission/milestone for each plane called "specialization", which allows you to use enhanced versions of equipment i.e. upgrade them to provide a bigger bonus to a characteristic. Kinda like bounty equipment in WoT, only you have to play that particular plane a lot before you can unlock that ability... Plus, I think the specialist version of the plane also makes your crew earn more xp...but I'm not sure. It kinda works like a half-premium plane. That's another feature I'd love to see in WoT...






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