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pihip #1 Posted 11 July 2020 - 07:34 PM

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I'm sure at least some are aware, but recently WG unveiled their latest American Tier 8 premium tank, the T77.

 

It's basically a smaller T57 Heavy, classed as a medium, and of course it's much stronger than poor T69.

Here are the initial stats ---> https://thearmoredpa...complete-stats/

And here are the changes made for the 1.10 CT ---> https://thearmoredpa...-changed-stats/

In its current iteration, this tank has an average clip damage of 2000  (5-clip with 400 damage per shot), a standard penetration of 198 and a premium penetration of 280, and once again, it's supposed to be a Tier 8 medium tank.

 

You can check the tank's full stats on tanks.gg ---> https://tanks.gg/v11000ct/tank/t77

I don't think there's much needed to be said about this thing. Load full gold and laugh as the red tanks melt under the HEAT.


Edited by pihip, 11 July 2020 - 07:39 PM.


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Seems pretty meh tbh. Seems like another tank you are going to have to spam prem in.

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The_Naa #3 Posted 11 July 2020 - 07:39 PM

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well atleast it aint Russian.

American Bias confirmed.



Desyatnik_Pansy #4 Posted 11 July 2020 - 07:42 PM

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It's basically an American 50 100, but it's got a bit of armour so it's slower and then you have worse AP But better Gold pen (a bit debatable, personally I'm not a big fan of HEAT So). I don't think it's gonna be overtly OP Or something but it is pretty damn broken with that kind of firepower on a Tier VIII Medium.

OniichanSenpai #5 Posted 11 July 2020 - 07:43 PM

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But what if it gets nerfed like Progetto after half a year?  :)

pihip #6 Posted 11 July 2020 - 07:48 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 11 July 2020 - 07:42 PM, said:

It's basically an American 50 100, but it's got a bit of armour so it's slower and then you have worse AP But better Gold pen (a bit debatable, personally I'm not a big fan of HEAT So). I don't think it's gonna be overtly OP Or something but it is pretty damn broken with that kind of firepower on a Tier VIII Medium.

 

The issue I see with the firepower is not only about the ridiculous clip damage.

 

Premium penetration is almost 100mm higher than standard penetration, and standard penetration is pretty low for today's standards.

I see people who run this thing load full HEAT and blast away, as people did when T57 Heavy was the newst toy in town. This is why I call it "the ultimate pay2win". If you have the coin for skill ammo, the advantage will be massive.

 

View PostOniichanSenpai, on 11 July 2020 - 07:43 PM, said:

But what if it gets nerfed like Progetto after half a year?  :)

 

How? They would have to do something to autoloader mechanics as a whole.



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View Postpihip, on 11 July 2020 - 07:48 PM, said:

The issue I see with the firepower is not only about the ridiculous clip damage.

 

Premium penetration is almost 100mm higher than standard penetration, and standard penetration is pretty low for today's standards.

I see people who run this thing load full HEAT and blast away, as people did when T57 Heavy was the newst toy in town. This is why I call it "the ultimate pay2win". If you have the coin for skill ammo, the advantage will be massive.

 

I really hate that they chose to change 215/270 To 198/280, as it absolutely promotes Premium spam. Ok, maybe 215 Was a bit much considering, but they could've instead changed it to say the old T54E1 Pen values (210/255) and I think that would've been pretty balanced. People would still be firing largely Gold in it; but let's be real, that's what most plenty of randoms are doing anyway; but it wouldn't be such a massive difference as 198 To 280 Is.



tajj7 #8 Posted 11 July 2020 - 07:57 PM

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3,7s intra-clip and a 48s reload is nothing like the T57 and it pretty tragic IMO. Pay to win seems generous. 

 

Also prem ammo is HEAT which is always a bit meh. 


Edited by tajj7, 11 July 2020 - 07:58 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 11 July 2020 - 09:57 PM, said:

3,7s intra-clip and a 48s reload is nothing like the T57 and it pretty tragic IMO. Pay to win seems generous. 

 

Also prem ammo is HEAT which is always a bit meh. 

 

For both of shell velocity and being absorbed by the tracks, and obstacles. It might be a bit OP for having that kind of bursting damage, but it's awful in terms of the intera-clip reload and gun handling. 

It still under testing, so we can't judge yet. :)



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Thats basically 2 teir 6 per clip , nope      not broken at all

shikaka9 #11 Posted 11 July 2020 - 08:51 PM

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nah, it is tragic tank 

MrKrotchy #12 Posted 11 July 2020 - 09:08 PM

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That looks worrying. It's like a 50 100 but it doesn't occupy a heavy slot. And massive 400 damage per shot on a t8 medium? You can trade 800 to a 240 alpha medium or 1.2k to slower firing heavies and they can't even push because you have extra 2-3 shots. And deleting T10 mediums in 15s? Dayumn son

Desyatnik_Pansy #13 Posted 11 July 2020 - 09:11 PM

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View PostSpammable_Lecter, on 11 July 2020 - 08:48 PM, said:

Thats basically 2 teir 6 per clip , nope      not broken at all

 

Eh depends a bit I think. Tier VI Meds now have more like just over 800 Average I think, so without a highroll you're going to end up needing a third to finish one off and then not be able to kill the second; of course, unless they're already damaged. Still pretty ridiculous though, and 400 Hitting you is gonna hurt a whole lot more than a Lorraine or 50 100's 300.


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Kdingo #14 Posted 11 July 2020 - 09:14 PM

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Waiting for someone to buy the tank, never play it/the game again forever ruining the argument that its pay2win.

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Bit worried about the clip damage tbh. A 400 damage hit already hurts from single-shot tanks. This tank carries 5 in a clip. Wouldn't mind seeing either damage per shot reduced a bit, or less shots in a clip (in exchange for better inter-clip reload ofc). 

 

The wide gap between standard & prem ammo isn't helping the case either. Even with all the drawbacks of HEAT, such a difference just makes it hard to build a case for using standard ammo beyond 'its cheaper!'



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View Postpihip, on 11 July 2020 - 07:34 PM, said:

 

In its current iteration, this tank has an average clip damage of 2000  (5-clip with 400 damage per shot), a standard penetration of 198 and a premium penetration of 280, and once again, it's supposed to be a Tier 8 medium tank.

 

When they change it that drastically between two tests, it means they are trying to find the middle ground. As the first one is no better T69 even overall. More pen and alpha sure. But that DPM would not even scare a Cromwell.

 

The 2nd one gives it 200 more burst damage vs even the 50 100. But with a 5 round magazine, and less than 5 rounds per min. It means it will spend most of the time reloading, and 3.7 seconds between each round is an eternity. So flexibility goes out the window vs the T69. As I doubt many would find a 50 second reload, and 14 seconds to empty a full clip fun most matches tbh. 

 

 



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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 11 July 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

It's basically an American 50 100, but it's got a bit of armour so it's slower and then you have worse AP But better Gold pen (a bit debatable, personally I'm not a big fan of HEAT So). I don't think it's gonna be overtly OP Or something but it is pretty damn broken with that kind of firepower on a Tier VIII Medium.


summed up my thoughts perfectly 



no_skill_bob #18 Posted 12 July 2020 - 01:13 AM

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pay to win tanks, lol. Give a bot 279e or chief and he will still be a bot.

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catlikehana #19 Posted 12 July 2020 - 01:24 AM

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198 pen is pretty awful for tier 8 (that 2k potential will come right down as you won't pen much)

280 gold is quite spicy but that depends on if it is APCR and not HEAT (HEAT is bad). 

 

Other parts are meh and just generally bad all round imo.


Edited by moenie, 12 July 2020 - 04:35 AM.


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View Posttajj7, on 11 July 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:

3,7s intra-clip and a 48s reload is nothing like the T57 and it pretty tragic IMO. Pay to win seems generous.

 

This.

 

That intra-clip reload is abysmal. A detracked tank has enough time to repair its tracks and fall back behind cover by the time a 2nd shell is loaded.

 

You need 15 seconds to unload your full clip. By that time, if overexposed, you could be dead.

 

After you've lost half your HP, you're out of the game for almost a minute... Hardly an OP trait.






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