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Bora_BOOM #1 Posted 15 July 2020 - 08:28 AM

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Have you ever experienced that your first three battles in a new tank you get lucky with MM, rng, teams, maps? You know the feeling.

Nah, it is only bias. We all know that.

 

Last night:

Enemy 48% player in his first Obj. 244 battle:

- Top tier (ok....)

- 3-5-7 template (ahmmm...)

- map Ensk (well, happens...)

- he is the only heavy (nevermind, we had one too - a VK that went field, lol)

- his shots: fired 11, hit 11, penned (yeah, you guessed it by now) - 11. (well, he is a good player..., sure)

- 1951 dmg, 1000 blocked, 15-4 on the scoreboard.

 

If you think that would be it, you are wrong.

 

I was figthing him with my Firefly VC with 239 gold pen frontally from 30 m aiming at his LFP 7 times and he blocked 4 shots. Mind you, I was so close to him I could see the marks my shots did.

Just go tanks.gg and check the odds for that.

 

This is the most stretched-out "luck" I have ever seen, that I would easily name it differently.

 

aluminum foil.jpg29wpfub.jpg

 

Just to note, 2-3 battles prior to that I got a 30% discount and I naively checked the shop. After this epic sh1tshow I know what will happen with that discount...


Edited by Bora_BOOM, 15 July 2020 - 08:30 AM.


Space_Vato #2 Posted 15 July 2020 - 08:44 AM

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Firefly?  (gun is pretty high on the firefly)

30m? (shorter distance = more acute angle)

Lower front plate? (angled vs 0 degrees from the horizontal axis. Add extra angle from the high gun. I would guess (with my very limited knowledge (see my stats)) that it will bounce.

 

Ever thought about what angle the shell will impact???

I tended to have the same issue with the M6A2E1 (which also has a VERY highly located gun and low pen)

 

 

Anywho, this is about 1st rounds in premium tanks.

I experience the exact same thing with my Setter.

Great 1st round. In fact, best round I played in it sofar.

So after getting to know the tank, my performance drops... (which is a totally different issue).

 

:confused:


Edited by Space_Vato, 15 July 2020 - 08:45 AM.


Bora_BOOM #3 Posted 15 July 2020 - 08:51 AM

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View PostSpace_Vato, on 15 July 2020 - 07:44 AM, said:

Firefly?  (gun is pretty high on the firefly)

30m? (shorter distance = more acute angle)

Lower front plate? (angled vs 0 degrees from the horizontal axis. Add extra angle from the high gun. I would guess (with my very limited knowledge (see my stats)) that it will bounce.

 

Ever thought about what angle the shell will impact???

 

 

Anywho, this is about 1st rounds in premium tanks.

I experience the exact same thing with my Setter.

Great 1st round. In fact, best round I played in it sofar.

So after getting to know the tank, my performance drops... (which is a totally different issue).

 

:confused:

 

You know that kv-85 and IS have that sloped part of the armor under the three-sided "flat" surfaces bellow the turret? I consider everything under that slope to be LFP.

 

Now imagine a close-range battle and me using the building but him pushing on the "open" from like 50-80 m closer to 30 m I mentioned. All the shots I fired were at his front - either the upper flat surfaces (yes, I considered shooting the one that would be flat to me since he angled once) or the LFP when he was a bit further at the start. I know what I am doing.

 

Well, 4 shots hit that slope cause that is always in the reticle. Still, some might pen even there, but I wouldn't expect that.

 

Kamarade, gold incoming, deflection mode engaged!  :sceptic:


Edited by Bora_BOOM, 15 July 2020 - 08:56 AM.


Space_Vato #4 Posted 15 July 2020 - 08:58 AM

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Oh, fwiw. This also happens with free rentals (experienced the Scorpion G as a 10 game rental on this account. 1st round was awesome. I almost bought it even)

 

Gud incentive to draw your wallet (if you have only half a brain)



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View PostBora_BOOM, on 15 July 2020 - 08:28 AM, said:

 

I was figthing him with my Firefly VC with 239 gold pen frontally from 30 m aiming at his LFP 7 times and he blocked 4 shots. Mind you, I was so close to him I could see the marks my shots did.

Just go tanks.gg and check the odds for that.

 

I don't suppose you have the replay?



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Just to add to this every premium tank I have bought (the last 20) I have checked the first 10 games in it because I always felt when I first bought a tank I got easier games. For all 20 tanks the first 3 games were always top tier, then after 3 games it seemingly reverted to normal. Now 20 tanks 10 games not a great number of battles to judge on but I do find it strange/lucky that everyone of them had the first 3 games as top tier. This included the last tank the Borrasque. 

Bora_BOOM #7 Posted 15 July 2020 - 09:01 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 15 July 2020 - 07:59 AM, said:

 

I don't suppose you have the replay?

 

Yes, I do. Cat didn't eat it (yet), but it is on my desktop computer at home. :trollface:



Bora_BOOM #8 Posted 15 July 2020 - 09:12 AM

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I knew it!

 

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View PostBora_BOOM, on 15 July 2020 - 07:28 AM, said:

Have you ever experienced that your first three battles in a new tank you get lucky with MM, rng, teams, maps? You know the feeling.

Nah, it is only bias. We all know that.

 

Last night:

Enemy 48% player in his first Obj. 244 battle:

- Top tier (ok....)

- 3-5-7 template (ahmmm...)

- map Ensk (well, happens...)

- he is the only heavy (nevermind, we had one too - a VK that went field, lol)

- his shots: fired 11, hit 11, penned (yeah, you guessed it by now) - 11. (well, he is a good player..., sure)

- 1951 dmg, 1000 blocked, 15-4 on the scoreboard.

 

If you think that would be it, you are wrong.

 

I was figthing him with my Firefly VC with 239 gold pen frontally from 30 m aiming at his LFP 7 times and he blocked 4 shots. Mind you, I was so close to him I could see the marks my shots did.

Just go tanks.gg and check the odds for that.

 

This is the most stretched-out "luck" I have ever seen, that I would easily name it differently.

 

aluminum foil.jpg29wpfub.jpg

 

Just to note, 2-3 battles prior to that I got a 30% discount and I naively checked the shop. After this epic sh1tshow I know what will happen with that discount...


You do know when you play a tank for the first time you get top tier ? 



Bora_BOOM #10 Posted 15 July 2020 - 09:26 AM

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View PostBordhaw, on 15 July 2020 - 08:17 AM, said:


You do know when you play a tank for the first time you get top tier ? 

 

That is probably not 100% true in order not to be entirely obvious, but yeah, happens a lot indeed ...

 

It just makes you wonder how far the thing with " if possible, provide a new tank owner a good experience" can go.

For me, this one battle showed it can go too far for my liking, and in the back of my mind, I felt the force disturbance. :B

I could clearly hear the green creature voice saying: "Spending money on this development now you shall not". :trollface:


Edited by Bora_BOOM, 15 July 2020 - 09:35 AM.


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View PostBordhaw, on 15 July 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:


You do know when you play a tank for the first time you get top tier ? 

 

This is not true. First game in my stock IS I was bottom tier 



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View PostUh_Oh_, on 15 July 2020 - 08:56 AM, said:

 

This is not true. First game in my stock IS I was bottom tier 

 

It is preferable to pay for the privilege... Sucks to be an exception to the rule tho. :D



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It's not just premiums, every time i play first battle in a new tank it feels like RNG tries to go easy on me.

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View PostBora_BOOM, on 15 July 2020 - 09:26 AM, said:

That is probably not 100% true in order not to be entirely obvious, but yeah, happens a lot indeed ...

 

As far as i'm aware it's always been a known thing that for a first game in a new tank the MM does attempt to give the player top tier matchmaking.

 

Nothing sneaky or underhanded about it and it does depend on the MM queue having tanks available to manage it as I've had one or two truly horrific first game matchups in the past.

 

On topic I had a 10 game ISU-122S rental from a TOTT a while back. First game, 5000+ damage and 9 kills. Would have been a Pools but the arty knew what his W key was for and I didn't have time to chase him down. :(

 

Still got 9 games on it because I don't want to spoil the pretty numbers. :)



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The 1st game in a new tank, you are always top or equal tiers I find.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostBordhaw, on 15 July 2020 - 10:17 AM, said:


You do know when you play a tank for the first time you get top tier ? 


Hmm IIRC you get few battles in a new tank where you don’t get +2 matcmaking. Not entirely sure about this one though.



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Ohooohhhh, here we go again...

Bora_BOOM #18 Posted 15 July 2020 - 10:20 AM

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 15 July 2020 - 09:03 AM, said:

It's not just premiums, every time i play first battle in a new tank it feels like RNG tries to go easy on me.

 

It goes both ways, I wasn't complaining after this: :hiding:

 

 

But deflecting gold shells that have almost 2x penetration of the armor I shot at? Too much in my book.

 

 



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View PostSpace_Vato, on 15 July 2020 - 08:44 AM, said:

Firefly?  (gun is pretty high on the firefly)

30m? (shorter distance = more acute angle)

Lower front plate? (angled vs 0 degrees from the horizontal axis. Add extra angle from the high gun. I would guess (with my very limited knowledge (see my stats)) that it will bounce.

 

Ever thought about what angle the shell will impact???

I tended to have the same issue with the M6A2E1 (which also has a VERY highly located gun and low pen)

 

You forgot that he was also firing the premium shells with lower normalisation. :popcorn:



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I bought Chrysler last night, i hope it'll be as u claim. :teethhappy::hiding:

 






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