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Were you aware that when new equipment arrives WG will only give you 30 free de-mounts max per account?

  1. Yes I was aware of the 30 free demount limit (50 votes [44.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.64%

  2. No up until now I was not aware of the free limit (62 votes [55.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.36%

30 free demounts at three equipment slots per tank means a maximum free change of 10 tanks, do you have more than 10 tier V-X tanks in your garage

  1. Yes I have only 10 tanks in my garage and so 30 free removals are sufficient for me (5 votes [4.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.46%

  2. No I have more than 10 tanks between tiers V-X in my garage and so 30 free demounts will be woefully insufficient (90 votes [80.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.36%

  3. I have no more than 150 tanks in my garage, I have looked at the equipment 2.0 changes and but 30 demount kits will probably be more than sufficient because I will not change all, more through missions, whats 10g anyway (17 votes [15.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.18%

WG limiting it to 30 free demounts per account is

  1. About right otherwise players will abuse the number of free demounts (4 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  2. It should be one free de mount per tank in the garage in tiers V - X (15 votes [13.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.39%

  3. WG should do what they did in WoWS and WoP and just demount all our equipped tanks on the change over (90 votes [80.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.36%

  4. I have no suggestion over this (3 votes [2.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.68%

Limiting free demounts to 30 per account

  1. makes me feel very angry with WG (21 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  2. makes me think WG managers have no idea about most players (17 votes [15.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.18%

  3. makes me think they want me to spend large amounts of gold and silver on demounts and new equipment (46 votes [41.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.07%

  4. makes me disillusioned and less keen to play and spend money on WG (18 votes [16.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.07%

  5. is perfectly fine with me (10 votes [8.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.93%

If I had not seen this topic in gameplay the most read section of the forum

  1. I would not have been aware of the 30 free demount limit proposed (62 votes [55.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.36%

  2. I already knew about the limit (50 votes [44.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.64%

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arthurwellsley #1 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:15 AM

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WG will be bringing in new equipment.

This will affect the three slots on all tier V through to tier X tanks.

Some will be more likely to need changes than others.

 

WG says that they will only give a maximum of 30 free de-mount kits per account. Depending on the number of tanks in your garage. It might be fewer if you have less tanks. There will be some missions afterwards for more demounts but there is no clarification about how difficult these will be or how many missions or how many demount kits will be available.

 

Personally with 48 tier X tanks alone I think that this is far to few. It should either be more per account or an automatic demount of all the tanks on my account.

 

What do you think.

 

Also link to news part of the forum http://forum.worldof...orward/#topmost


Edited by arthurwellsley, 15 July 2020 - 11:52 AM.


SelonianViking #2 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:25 AM

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After looking at these pieces of New equipment, I see no real reason to use anything (Unless talking about specific role tanks for CW/Stronghold) that is newly introduced. 

Vents, Rammer and Vertical Stab will still be the go-to as you will get the most out of it every battle. 

So I will leave it at that. 30 Free de-mount kits are enough and for me probably won't be used that quickly. 

Homer_J #3 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:26 AM

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Can you add another option to he second question.

 

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30 free demounts at three equipment slots per tank means a maximum free change of 10 tanks, do you have more than 10 tier V-X tanks in your garage

You can select maximum of 1 answer

  1. Yes I have only 10 tanks in my garage and so 30 free removals are sufficient for me
  2. No I have more than 10 tanks between tiers V-X in my garage and so 30 free demounts will be woefully insufficient

 

I have something like 150 tanks in my garage but 30 demount kits will probably be more than sufficient because I won't want to change every piece of equipment and I will be able to get more demount kits by playing and what's 10 gold anyway.

 

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 15 July 2020 - 11:15 AM, said:

 

WG says that they will only give 30 free de-mount kits per account.

 

Also you should clarify this as it is technically incorrect.  You will get a maximum of 30 kits initially.  If you have less than 30 tanks you will get less.  You will be able to get more through playing.


Edited by Homer_J, 15 July 2020 - 11:35 AM.


arthurwellsley #4 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:37 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 15 July 2020 - 10:26 AM, said:

Can you add another option to he second question.

 

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30 free demounts at three equipment slots per tank means a maximum free change of 10 tanks, do you have more than 10 tier V-X tanks in your garage

You can select maximum of 1 answer

  1. Yes I have only 10 tanks in my garage and so 30 free removals are sufficient for me
  2. No I have more than 10 tanks between tiers V-X in my garage and so 30 free demounts will be woefully insufficient

 

I have something like 150 tanks in my garage but 30 demount kits will probably be more than sufficient because I won't want to change every piece of equipment and I will be able to get more demount kits by playing and what's 10 gold anyway.

 

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10:34 Added after 7 minute

 

Also you should clarify this as it is technically incorrect.  You will get a maximum of 30 kits initially.  If you have less than 30 tanks you will get less.  You will be able to get more through playing.

 

Edit to take into account these suggestions.



Homer_J #5 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:39 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 15 July 2020 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

Edit to take into account these suggestions.

 

Not quite there.

 

I don't expect to need even the 30 demount kits I will be given.

 

Come on, people have been telling me how you are the big legal brain on this here forum, wording matters.



NekoPuffer_PPP #6 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:40 AM

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nvm I had a brainfart.

Edited by NekoPuffer_PPP, 15 July 2020 - 11:45 AM.


eldrak #7 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:43 AM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 15 July 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Umm, hello? - https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/sandbox-equipment-results/

 

 

It's at the bottom of the page, just above the big "Demount Kits" paragraph.

Do you know what "improved equipment" is?



NekoPuffer_PPP #8 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:46 AM

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View Posteldrak, on 15 July 2020 - 11:43 AM, said:

Do you know what "improved equipment" is?

 

I think I just made a massive OOF.

 

Has anybody got a gun?...

10:53 Added after 7 minute

So yeah, basically it's like they're giving players with a low amount of tanks in their garage (free to play players with not many garage slots) a free pass while leaving the people who spent money on garage slots to spend even more money.

 

That's kinda scummy.



arthurwellsley #9 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:53 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 15 July 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

Not quite there.

 

I don't expect to need even the 30 demount kits I will be given.

 

Come on, people have been telling me how you are the big legal brain on this here forum, wording matters.


When you edit there is a word limit on the questions and so I could not copy and paste your exact words, but I have re-edited it to try and get it even closer to your words within the word limit.



eldrak #10 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:55 AM

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This will be painful. Got some ~330 tanks in garage. (about 50 of them hasn't been played in random modes yet)

 

I think there's equipment on all the tier 6+ ones, so a bit under 300 tanks.

I want to change something on 63 of the tier X as I play all of them when there's modes like Brawl (and Ranked) running.

I want to change stuff on ~15 tier 9s I play often.

I want to change stuff on ~40 tier 6-8 premiums i play



Homer_J #11 Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:58 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 15 July 2020 - 11:53 AM, said:


When you edit there is a word limit on the questions and so I could not copy and paste your exact words, but I have re-edited it to try and get it even closer to your words within the word limit.

 

You could have just said "I have more than 10 tanks in my garage and the kits I will be given will be sufficient".

 

It currently looks like you are trying to push the results to suit your own opinion.



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View Posteldrak, on 15 July 2020 - 11:55 AM, said:

This will be painful. Got some ~330 tanks in garage. (about 50 of them hasn't been played in random modes yet)

 

I think there's equipment on all the tier 6+ ones, so a bit under 300 tanks.

I want to change something on 63 of the tier X as I play all of them when there's modes like Brawl (and Ranked) running.

I want to change stuff on ~15 tier 9s I play often.

I want to change stuff on ~40 tier 6-8 premiums i play

 

300 tanks. Demounting all equipment (assuming it's all complex equipment) would cost 9000 gold.

 

That's a bit much.



Gremlin182 #13 Posted 15 July 2020 - 12:07 PM

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What I think is likely to happen over time if the changes come in.

at first everyone will carry on as before.

Some decidedly powerful builds will come into the game as players experiment and learn to use different combinations.

The only real way to defeat these builds will be with a drastic change in playstyle or a counter build.

 

2 identical tanks meet each can fire at the other if both can easily pen the one that fires first and has the higher rate of fire will usually win.

So yes Rammer stabiliser Vents is the goto build faster rof faster aim time increased stats generally improving the first two even more.

What about all the other situations where you have not yet met the other tank.

 

Thanks to the new builds you are spotted earlier more often and for longer.

You spot other tanks later less often and for a shorter period of time.

You still have the faster rate of fire but cannot use it until you see the enemy and the enemy now has radar.

Your team needs it too.

 

 



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 15 July 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

 

300 tanks. Demounting all equipment (assuming it's all complex equipment) would cost 9000 gold.

 

That's a bit much.

 

How many will have 3 slots after the change?  How many will you actually change any equipment on?  Are any of the new pieces of equipment that useful?



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View PostHomer_J, on 15 July 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

Not quite there.

 

I don't expect to need even the 30 demount kits I will be given.

 

Come on, people have been telling me how you are the big legal brain on this here forum, wording matters.


a. can you explain why WG want to restrict the number of demount kits? it genuinely seems like a way to soak up spare gold. why can't they, for example, issue a variable number of kits per tier 5 to 10 tanks already in the garage.

b. please could you be more constructive with your language.



Jonny_M1 #16 Posted 15 July 2020 - 12:09 PM

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I want them to demount everything from day one. It's many millions of credits involved after all.

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Is the number of demount kits the main issue with Equip 2.0 or is it a distraction?

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View Postgeoff99, on 15 July 2020 - 12:09 PM, said:


a. can you explain why WG want to restrict the number of demount kits?

 

I can only guess, same as you.

 

But if WG suddenly dump a load of equipment into people's depots then players have the option to remount them or turn them into credits.  Now the "game economy" might not seem to be a thing but it causes problems when there are too many credits in circulation.  By controlling the number of kits - and remember we as yet only know how many you will be initially given, not how many an average player will be able to get from missions - then they can keep some control of the credits in game.



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View PostGremlin182, on 15 July 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

What I think is likely to happen over time if the changes come in.

at first everyone will carry on as before.

Some decidedly powerful builds will come into the game as players experiment and learn to use different combinations.

The only real way to defeat these builds will be with a drastic change in playstyle or a counter build.

 

2 identical tanks meet each can fire at the other if both can easily pen the one that fires first and has the higher rate of fire will usually win.

So yes Rammer stabiliser Vents is the goto build faster rof faster aim time increased stats generally improving the first two even more.

What about all the other situations where you have not yet met the other tank.

 

Thanks to the new builds you are spotted earlier more often and for longer.

You spot other tanks later less often and for a shorter period of time.

You still have the faster rate of fire but cannot use it until you see the enemy and the enemy now has radar.

Your team needs it too.

 

 

I don't think equipment is powerful enough to make those changes happen.'

Also, the equipment system is not transparent; there's no way of knowing what others do with their slots so it's hard to form a "meta". (In post battle results you should be able to click inspect on people and see their modules, crew skills, equipment and camo (If WG wants to sell skins there should be a way to appreciate them ingame and build a desire to get them for yourself :) ) used in that battle).



jabster #20 Posted 15 July 2020 - 12:50 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 15 July 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:

 

Edit to take into account these suggestions.


So you’ve basically added in a snarky option, well no bias there then.

 

Edit: Looking at some of the other questions that weren’t even edited, yep certainly an unbiased poll.


Edited by jabster, 15 July 2020 - 12:53 PM.





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