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no_skill_bob #1 Posted 18 July 2020 - 11:51 AM

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Hi guys, a week ago i witnessed m53/55 going td mode and blowing up is-7 ammorack from 1k hp, its not the first time i have seen this, of-course, but the thing is - should this even be possible? HE mechanics really needs a rework, on non-penetrating shots being able to destroy internal modules are quite stupid, if you ask me, most common one is being, getting set on fire by HE splash. As a matter of fact i see more internal module damage or even destruction happen on non penetrating HE hits, than on ones that actually does manage to enter the tank - which is even more retarded.

HE should not be able to destroy any internal modules on non-penetrating hits, damage them yes, why not, but there is already enough module damage from HE, destruction of internal modules upon splash is ridiculous, sure its funny when you are not on receiving end, but its nothing more than pure rng garbage. 

So arty hits is-7, shells drop on the tank floor and explode on impact lol.

 

 



shikaka9 #2 Posted 18 July 2020 - 11:58 AM

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well if it was premium shell then it's ok :trollface:

Spurtung #3 Posted 18 July 2020 - 12:10 PM

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Beautiful

saxsan4 #4 Posted 18 July 2020 - 12:19 PM

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why not? in real life HE shells from 122mm Russian guns could blow a tanks turret clean off, HE shells should be kept as they are.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 18 July 2020 - 12:38 PM

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So the IS7 had a damaged ammorack already and the arty just finished him off. So what? 

no_skill_bob #6 Posted 18 July 2020 - 01:40 PM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 18 July 2020 - 01:19 PM, said:

why not? in real life HE shells from 122mm Russian guns could blow a tanks turret clean off, HE shells should be kept as they are.

i think we have enough rng in this game, without having internal module destruction from splash.

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So the IS7 had a damaged ammorack already and the arty just finished him off. So what? 

you cant know that for sure, it might be a 1st hit destruction as well



saxsan4 #7 Posted 18 July 2020 - 01:42 PM

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View Postno_skill_bob, on 18 July 2020 - 12:40 PM, said:

i think we have enough rng in this game, without having internal module destruction from splash.

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you cant know that for sure, it might be a 1st hit destruction as well


it rarely happens and makes the game more interesting, if I get ammo racked I lol, when I ammo rack the enemy I lol, it is an 'oof' moment, better than more predictability in battles 



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View Postsaxsan4, on 18 July 2020 - 02:42 PM, said:


it rarely happens and makes the game more interesting, if I get ammo racked I lol, when I ammo rack the enemy I lol, it is an 'oof' moment, better than more predictability in battles 

when ap/apcr/heat/hesh does that its understandable, as those shells actually enter the tank, but getting blown up by splash form HE is just stupid.



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View Postno_skill_bob, on 18 July 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

you cant know that for sure, it might be a 1st hit destruction as well

 

Even with the larger gun, M53/55 don't have enough module damage to blow up an IS-7 ammorack in one shell.

But, IMO, HE module damage need rework. The module damage algorithm WH tested on the HE sandbox was quite nice. Getting 2 critical hits on a single HE was quite rare, even from large splash arty shells.



MrKrotchy #10 Posted 18 July 2020 - 11:36 PM

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Hah, ofcourse it's possible. Everything is possible with clickers. I had a clicker hit a dude next to me, doing 0 damage to me and only stunning my IS3II but still somehow killing my gunner...

no_skill_bob #11 Posted 19 July 2020 - 01:33 AM

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View PostMrKrotchy, on 19 July 2020 - 12:36 AM, said:

Hah, ofcourse it's possible. Everything is possible with clickers. I had a clicker hit a dude next to me, doing 0 damage to me and only stunning my IS3II but still somehow killing my gunner...

but i guess it works both ways sometimes, i remember playing e100 on siegfried line, back in 2014, when we still had old arta and chat with enemies, i dont know how, but i bounced an HE shell from T92 lol, damn that clicker raged so hard. This is probably one of the most satisfying rng moment i ever had with encountering arta.



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View Postno_skill_bob, on 19 July 2020 - 01:33 AM, said:

but i guess it works both ways sometimes, i remember playing e100 on siegfried line, back in 2014, when we still had old arta and chat with enemies, i dont know how, but i bounced an HE shell from T92 lol, damn that clicker raged so hard. This is probably one of the most satisfying rng moment i ever had with encountering arta.

 

He hit the tip of your gun + a minroll? Only way it's possible, I think?

 

Unfortunately the only RNG I encounter when being on the receiving end of arty is 300-500 damage "misses" and dying from a splash through cover...

 

I swear, if I'm ever left alone 1v1 against an arty in a tank with decent ROF I'm parking behind them and permatracking them until the game ends. Let them taste the fun of being harassed. Bonus points if they leave early and get banned for an hour.



Slyspy #13 Posted 19 July 2020 - 09:35 AM

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Sure it was a non-pen? Where did the shot hit? I suspect that the IS7's rack was already damaged and the shot hit a weak point like the roof and either penned or blasted through.

 

Can this happen? Yes. Should this happen? Yes. 



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View Postno_skill_bob, on 18 July 2020 - 01:40 PM, said:

you cant know that for sure, it might be a 1st hit destruction as well

 

Yes I can.

 

Ammorack module health on an IS7 is 210. Module damage on an M53/55 HE round is 130. It was already damaged and the arty just finished the job.



Slyspy #15 Posted 19 July 2020 - 11:56 AM

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I'm being dense, but what is the difference between "blown up" and "ammo rack"?

no_skill_bob #16 Posted 19 July 2020 - 01:15 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 19 July 2020 - 11:30 AM, said:

 

Yes I can.

 

Ammorack module health on an IS7 is 210. Module damage on an M53/55 HE round is 130. It was already damaged and the arty just finished the job.

well let it be so, but its still stupid :D






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