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Miller1973 #1 Posted 18 July 2020 - 05:11 PM

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What a heap of s**t.

 

No armour

 

Meh mobility

 

Piss power pew pew gun that misses alot

 

Large profile so easy to hit

 

Oh but good gun depression lolz....



Persekettu #2 Posted 18 July 2020 - 05:38 PM

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It's just power creeped.

 

Strv 74 is a better version of the same tank.



shikaka9 #3 Posted 18 July 2020 - 05:44 PM

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its easy ate for enemy :great:

Edited by shikaka9, 18 July 2020 - 05:44 PM.


Lanrefni #4 Posted 18 July 2020 - 06:10 PM

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i had fun with all the shermans

just play the Easy 8 like a td and relocate to different sniping positions when necessary. although i won't lie Strv 74 and Vk 30.02 M are better.



Slyspy #5 Posted 19 July 2020 - 12:16 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 18 July 2020 - 05:38 PM, said:

It's just power creeped.

 

Strv 74 is a better version of the same tank.

 

It was power crept when I played it five years ago!

 

Edit:

 

Scrub that. It wasn't power crept, it was just bad.

 


Edited by Slyspy, 19 July 2020 - 12:16 PM.


Semih_Dellal #6 Posted 19 July 2020 - 08:04 PM

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American sherman's suffer from so called 'HP increase in such tiers like 4-5-6' i think

 

Their gun was effective before that...But now....there's a long way for them to kill or wound a full health enemy....cause their alpha stays the same...

 

But i feel quiet comfortable in my Thunderbolt...extra frontal armour and good view range helps you a lot in most tier-for-tier games...but against tier 8's...its so hard with all sherman's....



Gkirmathal #7 Posted 19 July 2020 - 08:18 PM

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It is power crept/always was bad.

It can be easily balanced by giving it another AP standard ammunition, M79 shell, that is already in game.
The APCR round also has a possible replacement, but from the top of my head I forgot which shell type it was.

Kdingo #8 Posted 19 July 2020 - 10:16 PM

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View PostMiller1973, on 18 July 2020 - 05:11 PM, said:

What a heap of s**t.

 

No armour

 

Meh mobility

 

Piss power pew pew gun that misses alot

 

Large profile so easy to hit

 

Oh but good gun depression lolz....

 

If the e8 is already a pain in the bum for you... then hold your breath for the t20. Yes the alpha is good and the pen is ok... but the dpm is atrocious and the gun likes to troll you so hard you forget your name.

Armor isn't a concept till you get the pershing.



Bulldog_Drummond #9 Posted 20 July 2020 - 10:38 AM

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View PostKdingo, on 19 July 2020 - 09:16 PM, said:

 

If the e8 is already a pain in the bum for you... then hold your breath for the t20. Yes the alpha is good and the pen is ok... but the dpm is atrocious and the gun likes to troll you so hard you forget your name.

Armor isn't a concept till you get the pershing.

 

By some fluke I got 62% wins in my T20 over 30 games.  But with average damage of 600 and spots of 400 I could see that my natural home in it would be 40% wins if I persevered.  So it sat for years gathering dust until recently when I thought I might as well use the crew skills, so I sold it and transferred the crew to a T6 Medium.



Slyspy #10 Posted 20 July 2020 - 12:27 PM

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View PostKdingo, on 19 July 2020 - 10:16 PM, said:

 

If the e8 is already a pain in the bum for you... then hold your breath for the t20. Yes the alpha is good and the pen is ok... but the dpm is atrocious and the gun likes to troll you so hard you forget your name.

Armor isn't a concept till you get the pershing.

 

But beyond being not that great the Easy Eight and the T20 are not the same sort of vehicle. The E8 is weak because it is a pure dpm machine without any of the features necessary to make that work - it is a huge, soft, slow vehicle when for pure dpm to work you either need to be quick and nimble, tough enough to deal with return fire or sneaky enough to sit unseen and deal out the damage. The E8 doesn't really do any of that, nor does it have the armour to make full use of the good gun depression which is it's only real asset.

 

The T20 is a shoot-and-scoot machine, fairly nippy with a low profile and with a bit of punch. 



Tilly042 #11 Posted 20 July 2020 - 12:32 PM

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A bit more pen would be nice for that gun, that's for sure.  Even raising it to something similar to its peer group tier 6 meds would be a vast improvement.

Kdingo #12 Posted 20 July 2020 - 12:46 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 20 July 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

But beyond being not that great the Easy Eight and the T20 are not the same sort of vehicle. The E8 is weak because it is a pure dpm machine without any of the features necessary to make that work - it is a huge, soft, slow vehicle when for pure dpm to work you either need to be quick and nimble, tough enough to deal with return fire or sneaky enough to sit unseen and deal out the damage. The E8 doesn't really do any of that, nor does it have the armour to make full use of the good gun depression which is it's only real asset.

 

The T20 is a shoot-and-scoot machine, fairly nippy with a low profile and with a bit of punch. 

 

And yet the e8 has dpm, t20 has less but will face opponents with on average even more hp.

Shoot and scoot only works till you run out of room, and having low dpm makes this quite a restrictive experience and, specially when not top tier, heavily team dependent. 

E8 might not be as fast but its agile/nimble enough and has the dpm to kill stuff.  In a T20 you need a slow match so you have time to kill stuff, fast matches or yolo enemies are bad stuff, you can avoid the later to some degree but hardly the former.

 

That said, i never claimed they are the same sort of vehicles. Nowadays more of the same sort of mediocre in different ways.



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View PostKdingo, on 20 July 2020 - 12:46 PM, said:

 

And yet the e8 has dpm, t20 has less but will face opponents with on average even more hp.

Shoot and scoot only works till you run out of room, and having low dpm makes this quite a restrictive experience and, specially when not top tier, heavily team dependent. 

E8 might not be as fast but its agile/nimble enough and has the dpm to kill stuff.  In a T20 you need a slow match so you have time to kill stuff, fast matches or yolo enemies are bad stuff, you can avoid the later to some degree but hardly the former.

 

That said, i never claimed they are the same sort of vehicles. Nowadays more of the same sort of mediocre in different ways.

 

They were designed for what was in effect a different game.



Kdingo #14 Posted 20 July 2020 - 01:10 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 20 July 2020 - 12:54 PM, said:

 

They were designed for what was in effect a different game.

 

Yeah they showcase pretty well how much has been changed while they stayed the same. 



Snagfang #15 Posted 20 July 2020 - 04:51 PM

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You think the E8 is bad...
... wait 'till you get to the Pershing :ohmy: 

 

WG seriously need to revisit the medium US tech tree


Edited by Snagfang, 20 July 2020 - 04:52 PM.





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