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jermin123 #1 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:16 AM

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Now i am trying to have a chill session and mark my tanks. If i get punished it should be because i made a mistake and not because some 5k battles GOD like player does this shot. So if you think that this game is fair think again, because i dont know in what world is that a PEN

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Element6 #2 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:23 AM

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If you think that should not have been a penetration the it is irrelevant how many battles the player has, or what his skill is. It has nothing to do with anything, even a monkey can pen a tank if he just clicks the LMB in the right moment and the server makes the right calculations.

 

Since you do not seem to see the fairness consider this; you can pull off the exact same thing, if the server calculates in your favor.



Nazgarth #3 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:28 AM

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Whats the issue here?

 

overmatched, end of story.



jermin123 #4 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:37 AM

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It has to do with everything cause someone shouldn't get this lucky, and is not overmatched if you look closely it goes through 2 sides of the track 1 wheel and the trajectory just hits the tip of the track. So why should i bother with learning anything at all if along comes luck and just fuckes up all my hard work

Isharial #5 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:44 AM

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View Postjermin123, on 24 July 2020 - 12:37 AM, said:

It has to do with everything cause someone shouldn't get this lucky, and is not overmatched if you look closely it goes through 2 sides of the track 1 wheel and the trajectory just hits the tip of the track. So why should i bother with learning anything at all if along comes luck and just fuckes up all my hard work

 

"shouldn't get this lucky" ? so.... when you shot someone and ammo racked them first hit, that's skill?, but when someone hits your light tank with a TD, it means they got lucky and WG is rigging it against you? 

 

if you look closely at the angle, it would mean it penned the armour behind the road wheel - it hit armour - it penned - you took damage/died

 

Skorp was unlucky their shot veered so far as they probably aimed centre mass... you got even unluckier given the server ruled it hit there. - i will also add on this point that that mod doesn't always show Exactly where the Server said it hit - it may have been a few points over and penned your lower plate on the server and your client doesn't understand that - the only true "exact" position would be in the server side replay, but i doubt it keeps those, or that anyone would be able to see it.



Nazgarth #6 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:46 AM

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View Postjermin123, on 24 July 2020 - 12:37 AM, said:

It has to do with everything cause someone shouldn't get this lucky, and is not overmatched if you look closely it goes through 2 sides of the track 1 wheel and the trajectory just hits the tip of the track. So why should i bother with learning anything at all if along comes luck and just fuckes up all my hard work

Except it doesn't hit the edge of the track only does it. Shells do continue for a distance even after they hit external modules.



jermin123 #7 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:52 AM

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View PostNazgarth, on 23 July 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

Except it doesn't hit the edge of the track only does it. Shells do continue for a distance even after they hit external modules.

Again it goes through 2 sides of the track and a wheel. That is a lot of continue for a distance.



Nazgarth #8 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:54 AM

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View Postjermin123, on 24 July 2020 - 12:52 AM, said:

Again it goes through 2 sides of the track and a wheel. That is a lot of continue for a distance.

Not really.

 



jermin123 #9 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:56 AM

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View PostIsharial, on 23 July 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

 

"shouldn't get this lucky" ? so.... when you shot someone and ammo racked them first hit, that's skill?, but when someone hits your light tank with a TD, it means they got lucky and WG is rigging it against you? 

 

if you look closely at the angle, it would mean it penned the armour behind the road wheel - it hit armour - it penned - you took damage/died

 

Skorp was unlucky their shot veered so far as they probably aimed centre mass... you got even unluckier given the server ruled it hit there. - i will also add on this point that that mod doesn't always show Exactly where the Server said it hit - it may have been a few points over and penned your lower plate on the server and your client doesn't understand that - the only true "exact" position would be in the server side replay, but i doubt it keeps those, or that anyone would be able to see it.

I can provide the replay also i was in a kinda hard to hit position, also i dont get this lucky as he does and all this stuff happens when i reach 93-94% with gunmarks each time same storry, not a singe decent map, i either get pushed out of the bush by some random guy that wants to do 1 10k spots, i get set on fire by GOD players, ammoracked and so on so if i reached 93% or 94% meeans i am capable of reaching 95% but no i have to strugle for another 100 maibe 200 games cause stuff like "this happen" so how is this fair. And if you still dont get it i can draw the explanation to:)



Slyspy #10 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:04 AM

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As has to be pointed out in all threads like this: The mod only shows what happened according to the client. Where it actually hit as determined by the server is another matter. 

jermin123 #11 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:06 AM

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Ok i will provide the replay then so you get a general ideea that it was one hell of a lucky shot. http://wotreplays.eu...ermin123-wz-132

 



Robbie_T #12 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:07 AM

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View PostSlyspy, on 24 July 2020 - 01:04 AM, said:

As has to be pointed out in all threads like this: The mod only shows what happened according to the client. Where it actually hit as determined by the server is another matter. 

Yep

HAd this last month platoon mate thought he shot somebod

On his screen he hit him on mine he clearly missed.

So i stole his kill :P 

 


Edited by Robbie_T, 24 July 2020 - 01:08 AM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #13 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:12 AM

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View PostNazgarth, on 24 July 2020 - 12:28 AM, said:

Whats the issue here?

 

overmatched, end of story.

 

This. 



Frostilicus #14 Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:52 AM

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Opponent has a lucky shot - game is unfair....

DaniulSims #15 Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:50 AM

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You got penetrated by a Skorp in a light tank. Why are you even complaining?

unhappy__bunny #16 Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:06 AM

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View PostDaniulSims, on 24 July 2020 - 06:50 AM, said:

You got penetrated by a Skorp in a light tank. Why are you even complaining?


He is complaining because he was close to his MoE. That shot presumably stopped him getting it, therefore he feels WG must have rigged the game to ensure he couldn't get his mark. 



malachi6 #17 Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:48 AM

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When you do the same to other people it is totally fair I expect?  I honestly don't think you know what fair means.  In terms of this game, I would describe fair as unbiased and able to happen to anybody.  Fair is not some mechanic that allows you to achieve your goals, that would be the definition of biased.

Echotun #18 Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:55 AM

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Based on the picture it looks to me like the grenade trajectory makes it shoot through the track and up into the bottom of your tank. 

Edited by Echotun, 24 July 2020 - 08:56 AM.


qpranger #19 Posted 24 July 2020 - 09:02 AM

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View Postunhappy__bunny, on 24 July 2020 - 10:06 AM, said:


... WG must have rigged the game to ensure he couldn't get his mark. 

 

Precisely what happened.

I bet if he was Skill4ltu and was streaming for MOE,

this shot would not have penetrated him.


Edited by qpranger, 24 July 2020 - 09:03 AM.


Shaka_D #20 Posted 24 July 2020 - 10:28 AM

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View PostElement6, on 24 July 2020 - 12:23 AM, said:

If you think that should not have been a penetration the it is irrelevant how many battles the player has, or what his skill is. It has nothing to do with anything, even a monkey can pen a tank if he just clicks the LMB in the right moment and the server makes the right calculations.

 

Since you do not seem to see the fairness consider this; you can pull off the exact same thing, if the server calculates in your favor.


And this is the point the OP is trying to make.....that it doesn't matter how hard you try, the game will at times influence variou soutcomes, rather than skill or experience related actions alone. This is the unfairness being referenced here.


Edited by Shaka_D, 24 July 2020 - 10:29 AM.





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