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Miller1973 #1 Posted 24 July 2020 - 10:59 AM

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My score was pretty much static at high 3000's for a few years but over the last year I've managed to get it just over 4400, ultimately I'd like to get it up to 5000.

 

I had a shocking run of games yesterday where I was on the losing team 10 times out of 12. However, in all but one of those I was in the top 5 on my team for exp earned, yet my overall score fell 10 points. Is being on the winning side the biggest factor for this, even if you're not performing very well?



MaxandChloe4ever #2 Posted 24 July 2020 - 11:04 AM

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I don’t take PR very seriously, WN8 is a better indicator in my opinion.

However, if you would like to increase your PR very quickly, just play high tiers like tiers 9 and 10. Playing high tier will increase your PR pretty fast.



Flicka #3 Posted 24 July 2020 - 11:06 AM

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Because it is a team vs team game, the whole concept is to win in the battle.

Maybe if they removed that, made there is no end to the battle and you could just play it like old school Alterac Valley the rating would be the same.

So, it is based on wins and your contributions made to get the win or not.



qpranger #4 Posted 24 July 2020 - 11:11 AM

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Your average damage stat is not influenced by winning or losing.

Your average team position stat is not influenced by winning or losing.

There are always some stats that allow you to gauge your performance irrespective of match results.



MeetriX #5 Posted 24 July 2020 - 11:15 AM

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Who knows how PR is calculated anyway?

JocMeister #6 Posted 24 July 2020 - 11:18 AM

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View PostMeetriX, on 24 July 2020 - 11:15 AM, said:

Who knows how PR is calculated anyway?

 

https://wiki.wargami...er_Ratings_(WoT)



FizzleMcSnizzle #7 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:38 PM

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You could easily boost your personal rating by joining a good clan and playing randoms in platoons, or firing more gold, or only playing OP vehicles. As such, it only offers the loosest guide to how good you are. The only thing I notice is WR, which is subject to the same variables, but is at least easily understood.

arthurwellsley #8 Posted 24 July 2020 - 12:45 PM

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View PostMeetriX, on 24 July 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

Who knows how PR is calculated anyway?

 

Me.

 

But it is a secret.

 

Pay me gold and I will share it.

 

Oh all right here it is;

Spoiler

where the definitions are;

win – winrate (from 0 to 1)
surv – survival rate (from 0 to 1)
dmg – average damage per battle
bc – total amount of battles played
bc8.8 – amount of battles played from the point of patch 8.8 release
xp8.8 – average XP per battle (without premium account, from the point of patch 8.8 release)
radio8.8 – average damage done after your spotting (from the point of patch 8.8 release)
track8.8 – average damage done after you detracking the opponent (from the point of patch 8.8 release)

 

HOWEVER

This is from 2014.

It is possible that War Gaming have altered the equation since then. However because they tend to be somewhat opaque it is not easy to get hold of information about the formula.

 

Source = a website that War Gaming does not like, because the person who ran it subsequently joined the staff of a rival game company.



shikaka9 #9 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:02 PM

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both PR and WN8 are useless  ... because somehow it matters how you played 8-10 years ago ... when game was nothing like it is today

 

with every new big update all previous stats should go somewhere else like ex. Historical Ranking or whatever



Ricox #10 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:12 PM

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View Postshikaka9, on 24 July 2020 - 12:02 PM, said:

both PR and WN8 are useless  ... because somehow it matters how you played 8-10 years ago ... when game was nothing like it is today

 

with every new big update all previous stats should go somewhere else like ex. Historical Ranking or whatever

 

That's exactly why recent WN8 exists as a metric and is often the primary way of evaluating someone for competitive recruitment... in your case, your recent WN8 is virtually the same as overall, so the complaint is misplaced. Also I highly doubt that a big update significantly changes one's performance. Sure, 10 big updates ago things may have been different, but there's no reason to archive anything over one update (or any update, as that's an arbitrary cut-off point).



hjorte #11 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:20 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 24 July 2020 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 24 July 2020 - 12:45 PM, said:

Oh all right here it is;

Spoiler

 

No pic.


Edited by hjorte, 24 July 2020 - 01:20 PM.


arthurwellsley #12 Posted 24 July 2020 - 01:27 PM

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View Posthjorte, on 24 July 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

No pic.

 

That is odd because the picture shows on my computer screen.

I will try and re-post it =

probably because the WG website blocks the original source

formula.png?width=1442&height=59


Edited by arthurwellsley, 24 July 2020 - 01:29 PM.


Bora_BOOM #13 Posted 24 July 2020 - 02:12 PM

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View PostRicox, on 24 July 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

 

That's exactly why recent WN8 exists as a metric and is often the primary way of evaluating someone for competitive recruitment... in your case, your recent WN8 is virtually the same as overall, so the complaint is misplaced. Also I highly doubt that a big update significantly changes one's performance. Sure, 10 big updates ago things may have been different, but there's no reason to archive anything over one update (or any update, as that's an arbitrary cut-off point).

 

WN8 can be padded. With a proper tank selection for the most part.

Or worse - camping base and do some late damage by the time your team has fallen.

 

The only way to evaluate someone would be to look into latest 1-2k games at mid to high tiers and check the tanks winrate and damage done. 


Edited by Bora_BOOM, 24 July 2020 - 02:14 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #14 Posted 24 July 2020 - 02:13 PM

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If you care about your PR as a personal goal then go for it but otherwise like other metrics it's mostly a rough indicator of general skill towards the only rating that actually matters which is your winrate since the object of the battle is to win it.

 

As far as winrate goes you're doing pretty good, well above average, so I shouldn't worry too much about anything else outside of 'personal goals'. 



Bora_BOOM #15 Posted 24 July 2020 - 02:16 PM

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Too bad TBs are gone, those were PR padding heaven or hell.

Echotun #16 Posted 24 July 2020 - 02:31 PM

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View PostBora_BOOM, on 24 July 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

 

WN8 can be padded. With a proper tank selection for the most part.

Or worse - camping base and do some late damage by the time your team has fallen.

 

The only way to evaluate someone would be to look into latest 1-2k games at mid to high tiers and check the tanks winrate and damage done. 


It can not be padded a lot without it showing on ones service record, though :)

 

 

.........

 

 


 

Statistics is only as useful as a players brain capacity allows. If you are checking out something on a players service record you should ask yourself: 
 

a) What am I trying to find out?

b) Which numbers is relevant for determining a)?

 

Overall WOT Personal Rating is seldom the answer to b) :D

 


Edited by Echotun, 24 July 2020 - 02:32 PM.


Bora_BOOM #17 Posted 24 July 2020 - 02:47 PM

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I guess everyone can pick a measurement that boosts his e-pen the most...

Ricox #18 Posted 24 July 2020 - 03:03 PM

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View PostBora_BOOM, on 24 July 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

 

WN8 can be padded. With a proper tank selection for the most part.

Or worse - camping base and do some late damage by the time your team has fallen.

 

The only way to evaluate someone would be to look into latest 1-2k games at mid to high tiers and check the tanks winrate and damage done. 

 

Of course it can be padded, that's why it's not the only metric and you look at the specifics. Unicum WN8 doesn't matter if your average tier is 3 and that's something that makes more informed reading of WN8. Base camping padders can be easily identified by looking at the winrate as such players would consistently handicap their teams, thus there would be a big gap (ex. around 1,8-2k WN8 fits around 54-56% WR, once you see a disconnect between the two it's clear there may be a issue, even if just a bit of randomness). But WN8 is still the most superior metric because it's very informative once you complement it with other information that's easily accessible on public profiles.

 

And WN8 also seems to take into consideration your tank selection. 1k damage is not worth the same across all tanks of the same tier. If you select more meta tanks you also have to perform much better to earn the same WN8 as you would on a weaker tank. At least that's what I see from my own vehicle WN8s - Progetto 46 has much higher requirements for good WN8 than most/all other tier 8 medium tanks.

 

The best way to evaluate the value of someone's damage done in a specific tank is WN8 anyway. You might be well-informed on what each tank should perform at, but ultimately WN8 will be best informed.


Edited by Ricox, 24 July 2020 - 03:06 PM.


shikaka9 #19 Posted 24 July 2020 - 03:37 PM

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View PostRicox, on 24 July 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

 

That's exactly why recent WN8 exists as a metric and is often the primary way of evaluating someone for competitive recruitment... in your case, your recent WN8 is virtually the same as overall, so the complaint is misplaced. Also I highly doubt that a big update significantly changes one's performance. Sure, 10 big updates ago things may have been different, but there's no reason to archive anything over one update (or any update, as that's an arbitrary cut-off point).

could be almost true, but my first 30K battles WN8 was arround 500-600 ... after 50K went over 1200 ... now 1500 ... recent 1800-1900.. nothing same to me



Ricox #20 Posted 24 July 2020 - 03:49 PM

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View Postshikaka9, on 24 July 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

could be almost true, but my first 30K battles WN8 was arround 500-600 ... after 50K went over 1200 ... now 1500 ... recent 1800-1900.. nothing same to me

 

But then it works, no? Your overall eventually picks up and, before it does - you have recent to show your current performance rather than historical. With tons of battles and high WN8, it just shows that you consistently perform well, which is also important. If you did well in a different meta, you're probably going to do well in the current meta, as it's usually down to a transferrable set of skills rather than mastery of one tank line.






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