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cipicip0101 #1 Posted 26 July 2020 - 05:06 PM

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I have this tank and in many situations it is very bad and unbalanced. I mean it has 0 mobility, armour so unpredictible and weak also gun handling not the best. So the only thing about this tank is double gun shoot and it’s damage. In my oppinion it needs some buffs. Let me know what you think about it.

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they should buff its turret

Dava_117 #3 Posted 26 July 2020 - 05:11 PM

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IMO is a nice tank. Not meta but good to play.

Also gun handling is quite good, can snapshot well and shooting on the move to paper target is reliable even from mid distance.


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splash_time #4 Posted 26 July 2020 - 07:21 PM

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The only thing that should be buffed is the turret traverse speed. If they fix it? It'll be fantastic.

Infryndiira #5 Posted 26 July 2020 - 08:59 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 26 July 2020 - 08:21 PM, said:

The only thing that should be buffed is the turret traverse speed. If they fix it? It'll be fantastic.

Its turret traverse is technically fixable if people use an Improved Rotation Mechanism, being introduced in 1.10. Considering the ST-2 can't mount a rammer anyway, it's not like you're under tremendous pressure as to what you'll drop for it; one can easily opt for Vertical Stabiliser, IRM & Improved Hardening or Improved Ventilation for example.



Lanrefni #6 Posted 26 July 2020 - 11:24 PM

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just needs the base turret traverse buffed and maybe a slight buff to mobility. I think it will pale to the buffed IS-4.

MrKrotchy #7 Posted 27 July 2020 - 03:10 AM

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Sure, gun handling is not the best. It's only third best right after FV215B and SConq. 

 

Armor is pretty predictable. Hull strong vs AP, paper vs gold, turret is strong except the coupola.

 

Mobility is about the same as Sconq/IS4.

 

And you get 880 memes. Looks pretty good to me.



DeBanus #8 Posted 27 July 2020 - 03:29 AM

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How about we rework tier 10 lights in general, the BC 25t and German heavy tanks first, since they are -with huge distance-  out dated to the rest of the playfield atm.

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View PostMrKrotchy, on 27 July 2020 - 02:10 AM, said:

Sure, gun handling is not the best. It's only third best right after FV215B and SConq. 

 

Armor is pretty predictable. Hull strong vs AP, paper vs gold, turret is strong except the coupola.

 

Mobility is about the same as Sconq/IS4.

 

And you get 880 memes. Looks pretty good to me.

You have no ideea what you are talking about. You try to say black is same with white by comparing conq wits st2. For me it looks like you lost a fight against a st2 and you think it’s the best.



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View Postcipicip0101, on 27 July 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

You have no ideea what you are talking about. You try to say black is same with white by comparing conq wits st2. For me it looks like you lost a fight against a st2 and you think it’s the best.

 

ST-2 gun handling: 0.14/0.14/0.06

SConqueror gun handling: 0.12/0.12/0.1

 

Comparable IMO.



Nebuched #11 Posted 27 July 2020 - 06:39 PM

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View Postcipicip0101, on 26 July 2020 - 05:06 PM, said:

I have this tank and in many situations it is very bad and unbalanced. I mean it has 0 mobility, armour so unpredictible and weak also gun handling not the best. So the only thing about this tank is double gun shoot and it’s damage. In my oppinion it needs some buffs. Let me know what you think about it.

A double gun is a hefty advantage against single shot slow loading heavies and mediums. Do you have BIA/vents/aiming equipment on it ? 



FizzleMcSnizzle #12 Posted 27 July 2020 - 07:10 PM

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just needs an extra gun. 2 barrels is so 2019

MrKrotchy #13 Posted 27 July 2020 - 07:10 PM

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View Postcipicip0101, on 27 July 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

You have no ideea what you are talking about. You try to say black is same with white by comparing conq wits st2. For me it looks like you lost a fight against a st2 and you think it’s the best.

 

Err... what? Don't remember when was the last time I saw an ST2. I did drive it though and think it's pretty great. Y'know, actually balanced.

 

View PostDava_117, on 27 July 2020 - 06:35 PM, said:

 

ST-2 gun handling: 0.14/0.14/0.06

SConqueror gun handling: 0.12/0.12/0.1

 

Comparable IMO.

 

It's actually 0.13/0.13 so it's even closer than you thought. Big reason why I love it. 

 

 



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View PostMrKrotchy, on 27 July 2020 - 07:10 PM, said:

It's actually 0.13/0.13 so it's even closer than you thought. Big reason why I love it. 

 

Indeed. Mine was the base value, without taking into account the commander bonus to crew members. 

I agree tho, as I particularly like the tank too for that handling alone! If you then add the double gun and the armour into the equation, the result is a pretty nice HT. :)



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i said gun handling is not the best so it’s not the worst but also not the best so stop talking about it jesus. Main reason about this topic is about st2 in a tier 10 fight not about statistics that much. For example this s conq that you love in a hull down fight it is the best op monster because no one will pen the turret so don’t tell me is the same with st2 which have a pretty big weak spot on turret which can be penetrated by is3 with AP sheels( happend to me). A turret buff for st2 and maybe lower plate would make it at same level with other heavys in my oppinion.

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View Postcipicip0101, on 28 July 2020 - 08:54 AM, said:

i said gun handling is not the best so it’s not the worst but also not the best so stop talking about it jesus. Main reason about this topic is about st2 in a tier 10 fight not about statistics that much. For example this s conq that you love in a hull down fight it is the best op monster because no one will pen the turret so don’t tell me is the same with st2 which have a pretty big weak spot on turret which can be penetrated by is3 with AP sheels( happend to me). A turret buff for st2 and maybe lower plate would make it at same level with other heavys in my oppinion.

 

Because apparently being 3rd best among 23 or so T10 heavies isn't good enough for you?

 

So IS3 got that magical max roll to pen your 10% chance weakspot once in a blue moon. Whoopty doo. Even the SConq has a turret weakspot when on flat ground. Go hulldown and IS3 has no chance against either of them.

 

And why would you buff the lower plate? Why are you even showing your lower plate? Turret part I kind of understand but lowerplate?!

 



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View PostMrKrotchy, on 28 July 2020 - 09:32 AM, said:

 

Because apparently being 3rd best among 23 or so T10 heavies isn't good enough for you?

 

So IS3 got that magical max roll to pen your 10% chance weakspot once in a blue moon. Whoopty doo. Even the SConq has a turret weakspot when on flat ground. Go hulldown and IS3 has no chance against either of them.

 

And why would you buff the lower plate? Why are you even showing your lower plate? Turret part I kind of understand but lowerplate?!

 

Omg so you are that kind of player which i try to avoid and i will do so after i say this.

i don’t know where you saw that st2 is in top 3 heavys at gun handling but let it be and since you are such a statistics player what is procentage of players who play st2 which is very low as you said and then think why is that( not at same level with other heavys like a is4  before buffs). You still compare s conq turret with st2 saying is the same, i mean you are probably 3 out of 10 shoots to hit conq turret ws which is hidden very good then 8 out of 10 shoots to hit st turret ws. I think you are afraid if there would be a st2 buff you would lose a easy to kill tier 10 am i right?



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View Postcipicip0101, on 28 July 2020 - 04:41 PM, said:

Omg so you are that kind of player which i try to avoid and i will do so after i say this.

i don’t know where you saw that st2 is in top 3 heavys at gun handling but let it be and since you are such a statistics player what is procentage of players who play st2 which is very low as you said and then think why is that( not at same level with other heavys like a is4  before buffs). You still compare s conq turret with st2 saying is the same, i mean you are probably 3 out of 10 shoots to hit conq turret ws which is hidden very good then 8 out of 10 shoots to hit st turret ws. I think you are afraid if there would be a st2 buff you would lose a easy to kill tier 10 am i right?

 

Tanks.gg or any other site that shows tank stats?

 

And why would I be afraid of a buff on a HT that I like and think it's balanced. 






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