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VK.30.02M v Pudel v Bret Panther.


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Poll: VK.30.02M v Pudel v Bret Panther. (17 members have cast votes)

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Which is ''Best'' out of the 3?

  1. VK 30.02 (M) (4 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  2. Pudel (11 votes [64.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.71%

  3. Bretagne Panther (2 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

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The_Naa #1 Posted 29 July 2020 - 10:46 PM

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Heyo :)

 

VK.30.02M, Pudel and Bret Panther. are all similar as they are basically the Panther but at Tier 6 and in all honesty i like that as the cosmetics of the OG Panther turret and short gun are cool. so is the Schmalturm and the L/100 but thats besides the point.

what i am interested in atm, is which one of these is the so called ''Best'' one. as they all are similar but with minor differences.

https://tanks.gg/com...nther~vk-3002-m

 

i have a small suspicion that the Pudel is the best, as it has the Best frontal and side armor out of the 3.

50mm of side armour has that advantage that the 122mm gun cant over match it so it can sidescrape against an IS.

but Bret Panther has sideskirts that seem to absorb some incoming fire from certain calibers but dont know if that is true or not.

i have the Bret and VK but not the Pudel and right now i am trying to look into this more deeply so i can justify a potential purchase or a trade in for it.

or if it show up again in Tankrewards or some, as i did not grab it last time it was there as i did not think it would be better than the Bret, oh how wrong i was.

 

Armor models against an 122mm IS:

for Pudel.

https://tanks.gg/tan...l?vm=live&cs=is

for VK.

https://tanks.gg/tan...l?vm=live&cs=is

for Bret.

https://tanks.gg/tan...l?vm=live&cs=is

 

yes i am going to get real particular with every single inch and minor stat on all of them.

if the Bret Panther sideskirts actually do offer some protection against particular calibers do tell me. as looking at it from a slight angle it says that a Tiger 1's 8,8cm L/71 AP shell gets absorbed when it hits the Bret Panthers sideskirts. is that even true?

would it even help against Arty Splash or HE shells?



Bulldog_Drummond #2 Posted 29 July 2020 - 11:41 PM

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I like all three of them, and I think I'm about 55% wins in all, which is better than my average

They are all pretty much identical and I haven't noticed any doing any better or worse in games.

 



The_Naa #3 Posted 30 July 2020 - 12:15 AM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 29 July 2020 - 11:41 PM, said:

I like all three of them, and I think I'm about 55% wins in all, which is better than my average

They are all pretty much identical and I haven't noticed any doing any better or worse in games.

 


i as well like them all, Panther models they... just work for me really well.

but i am trying to figure out which one is the best out of the 3 as they are similar, but not in every way.

PPP added more wood to the fire after he listed 6 differences between the Tiger 131 and HT.No VI, and in my honest opinion HT just looks better than the 131. even tho i have the Tiger 131, i will go and get the HT in the next tank rewards. so there must be something to this as well.



BravelyRanAway #4 Posted 30 July 2020 - 12:18 AM

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For me it's....Pudel > VK > Bret.

Pudel has better pen than the VK and much better accuracy and has the armour and speed of the Bret but with better view range and slightly better turret armour and a wee bit more ammo.

Why do I place the VK over the Bret?.......it just seems to handle better.:amazed:



NekoPuffer_PPP #5 Posted 30 July 2020 - 12:30 AM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 30 July 2020 - 12:18 AM, said:

For me it's....Pudel > VK > Bret.

Pudel has better pen than the VK and much better accuracy and has the armour and speed of the Bret but with better view range and slightly better turret armour and a wee bit more ammo.

Why do I place the VK over the Bret?.......it just seems to handle better.:amazed:

 

Er... https://tanks.gg/compare/vk-3002-m?t=pudel%7Ebret-panther

 

They all have exactly the same gun with the exact same parameters. The only difference being ammo capacity, with the VK on top in that regard.

 

The VK is the lightest of the three. Sharing the same engine with the bunch, that makes the VK the fastest.

 

Their view ranges are exactly the same.

 

Their turrets are exactly the same, the VK's commander hatch being more blocky than the others'.

 

The VK also seems to have very slightly better camo than the rest...

 

Therefore, technically, the VK is the best, even though it has slightly weaker track armor... Only the Pudel has one thing going for it - 5mm more side armor on the upper half. The Bret's frontal armor is 5mm thinner than the others'.

 

IMO they're all very dull. Large, cumbersome HP piñatas.

 

Edit: sorry for a million edits, I need to go horizontal...


Edited by NekoPuffer_PPP, 30 July 2020 - 12:37 AM.


The_Naa #6 Posted 30 July 2020 - 12:45 AM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 30 July 2020 - 12:30 AM, said:

 

 

 

yep.

but further more, Bret has sideskirts, that apparently have the magical ability to absorb 88mm shells and smaller like there is no tomorrow according to Tanks.gg

and Pudel has 50mm side armour so it can actually sidescrape against 122mm guns in an auto bounce angle just like the Tier 7 Panther.


Edited by The_Naa, 30 July 2020 - 12:45 AM.


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One sounds like a dog, another like a ladies name spoken with an Essex accent the third like an American dude cooking a burger.  Go for the dog :)

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 29 July 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

IMO they're all very dull. Large, cumbersome HP piñatas.

 

I can see that they will be very boring to play if you prefer faster Mediums, and e.g. at Tier 6 a T-34-85 is a lot faster and more flexible.

They suit me as they work as a sniper/exploiter, the gun is high pen/high accuracy, and the armour can to some extent be made to work if you are careful.

They definitely need to avoid brawling as that will never end well for them

 



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 29 July 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

 

Er... https://tanks.gg/compare/vk-3002-m?t=pudel%7Ebret-panther

 

They all have exactly the same gun with the exact same parameters. The only difference being ammo capacity, with the VK on top in that regard.

My bad.....for some unknown reason I hadn't got the top gun mounted on the VK. :ohmy:........I have now. :hiding:



mpf1959 #10 Posted 30 July 2020 - 11:38 AM

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Pudel, I have both the prems and consequently sold the other one as the prems make more credits. I hate the colour scheme and side-skirts on the Bret, so Pudel wins for me.

Steeleye_Spam #11 Posted 30 July 2020 - 05:25 PM

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Well, just from my experience, I play like a boss in the bretagne, and like a monkey in the vk, and I haven't got the pudel. Which is nutty, because they're basically the same tank.

The_Naa #12 Posted 30 July 2020 - 06:17 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 30 July 2020 - 12:18 AM, said:

 

 

View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 30 July 2020 - 12:30 AM, said:

 

 

View PostGruff_, on 30 July 2020 - 01:51 AM, said:

 

 

View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 30 July 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

 

 

 

View Postmpf1959, on 30 July 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

 

View PostSteeleye_Spam, on 30 July 2020 - 05:25 PM, said:

 

 

i just like the Panther in general and like its game play, but unlike the Tier 7 Panther all the tier 6's have only some good parts of their superioir grand master.

i do see that they are similar but there are more and more suddle differences. and tbh Bret Panther is looking real good as the more i look into it the better it gets.

i mean look at this:

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even against M4A1 Rev's 105mm gun the Bret Panther sides just absorb it. and that is really handy if you happen to be in the open and enemy shoot a little low hitting the side skirts.

Pudels 50mm sides allow sidescraping against 122mm guns, but 40mm armour is good gainst calibers lower than that AND the ability to absorb shells is kinda handy.

neither VK.30.02 M and Pudel have sideskirts.

VK.30.02 M has some weird thing coming out from the bottom of its side armour that has basically no armor on it.

Spoiler

 


Edited by The_Naa, 30 July 2020 - 06:19 PM.


Unicorn_of_Steel #13 Posted 30 July 2020 - 06:32 PM

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There can only be one best and that is the VK. Why?

 

Because the other two are TRAITORS!!! Sure Frenchie got good looks but what do Frenchies do when the sh*t hits the fan? They RUN AWAY! Frenchie is a traitor with build in coward mode, disgusting! And the Polish one? Its called PUDEL! Like a f*****g dog that visits the hairdresser! Unacceptable! A glorious beast like the Panther can never be called after a shampoo and perfume loving dog...at least call it a German sheppard! Wraaahh, if there only was a final solution for such traitors!  Wir sollen sie ausra... 

 

Oke, i got a little bit carried away here....

 

I have a small weak spot for the VK since one of them can be visited in the town of Breda, not far away from where i live. I visited it shortly after starting with WOT and it kind of grew on me. Just like the tier 7 Panther. Just love them. 


Edited by Unicorn_of_Steel, 30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM.





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