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Please calculate how much Equipment 2.0 will cost you purely for camo, binocs, toolkits...

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SoupFork #1 Posted 01 August 2020 - 11:12 AM

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I have a very average account, not so many tanks (87) and no premium account, so I don’t make too many credits, especially now that I’m working on grinding tier IX’s and X’s. As a result, many of my tanks happily use the free to demount camo net, binocs and toolboxes now. 

 

I have just spent a good hour going through all my tanks and writing down carefully which use camo nets, binocs and toolboxes right now.  Bearing in mind tier 2 get only one slot and tier 3 get only 2 slots, I also considered which equipment I would use in those cases and deducted what I already have, noting that that would be the highest level of equipment after conversion to 2.0.

  

With equipment 2.0 going live as it is now, to keep playing my tanks exactly as I play them now, I will need:  

 

- 9 x class 1 binocs = 9 x 50.000 = 450.000

- 18 x class 2 binocs = 18 x 200.000 =  3.600.000

- 8 x class 3 Binocs = 8 x 600.000 = 4.800.000

 

- 12 x class 3 camo net = 12 x 50.000 = 600.000

- 17 x class 2 camo net = 17 x 100.000 = 1.700.000

 

- 16 x class 2 modified configuration = 16 x 200.000 = 3.200.000

- 1 x class 1 modified configuration = 1 x 600.000

 

Total cost for maintaining my current setups: 14.950.000.

 

I urge you to do the same so you’re fully aware of the true cost to your account of ending the free demounting of Binocs, camo nets and toolboxes. Also bear in mind that you won’t be able to use these to cheaply ease (stock) grinds anymore.

 

edit: Given my 49% WR, piss poor WN8 and only playing tier 8 premiums I don’t wholly suck at, I think it’s a fair guesstimate that on average, on my standard account, I make a profit of 18.000 per game. So to undo the damage 2.0 will do to my account finances, I’d have to play nothing but my best tier 8 premiums for 14.950.000 / 17.000 = 879 games. At an average game length of 6 minutes plus one minute for loading in and out of battles, that’s 879 x 7 = 6,153 minutes, or 103 hours of grinding just to be back to where I am now. Thank you WG...


Edited by SoupFork, 01 August 2020 - 11:25 AM.


MeetriX #2 Posted 01 August 2020 - 11:20 AM

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You do not need to rebuy these. (I assumed that you have only 1 set of each and did not exclude them.)

1 pcs class 3 Binocs.

1 pcs class 2 camo net.

1 pcs class 1 modified configuration.

So that leave "only" 13650000 credits.:hiding:

 



SoupFork #3 Posted 01 August 2020 - 11:26 AM

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View PostMeetriX, on 01 August 2020 - 11:20 AM, said:

You do not need to rebuy these. (I assumed that you have only 1 set of each and did not exclude them.)

1 pcs class 3 Binocs.

1 pcs class 2 camo net.

1 pcs class 1 modified configuration.

So that leave "only" 13650000 credits.:hiding:

 


please elaborate? Did you miss the part where after 1.10 you can no longer swap these for free? So every tank you want to regularly use this on must have it? As in my post, I have not counted the camo nets, binocs and toolboxes I already have in the total


Edited by SoupFork, 01 August 2020 - 11:28 AM.


UserZer00 #4 Posted 01 August 2020 - 11:47 AM

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I've always been too lazy to swap out the camo and binocs and always ended up buying them for each tank that I wanted to use them on, but I do feel your pain.

 

We won't hear the voices of the people most impacted by this change as they probably don't even know about or care about the forums, but I'm sure that the General chat will have some interesting things being said about it (which will go totally ignored).

 

Unfortunately mechanical and crew changes don't impact "premium tanks" so aren't protected in the way that changes to the EBR and Progetto have been shown to be protected.  WG is free to mess them up as much as they want despite the impact on the players.

 

I will say that all in all I think that they are moving in the right direction in wanting to offer some flexibility to tank equipment.  However, if they made the changes in order to make things easier for the new players, your post demonstrates that in at least one way they have royally screwed up.

 

Good luck



gunslingerXXX #5 Posted 01 August 2020 - 11:54 AM

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I'm also too lazy to swap that stuff around or install a mod to do that for me. Guess thats convenient now. Sometimes I did use the 'free' stuff to play a few games in reward tanks and such, that would be the main negative feature for me.



24doom24 #6 Posted 01 August 2020 - 12:10 PM

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zero

G_K #7 Posted 01 August 2020 - 12:21 PM

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zero. for the same reason of being lazy. I didnt even know there was a mod that would do it for you

saxsan4 #8 Posted 01 August 2020 - 04:39 PM

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none since i only have binocs and camo net on elc even 90 and my M10 which i bought their own indivdually

 

 



Mikanoid #9 Posted 02 August 2020 - 03:57 AM

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I  cant even be bothered trying tbh


On this account I have 29 cammos, 19 binos and 15 toolboxes that are reused across maybe 200-250 of the 295 tanks I have currently in my garage with some using 2 or 3 of them

 

My other account has 335 tanks,  37 cammos, 19 binos and  14 toolboxes which are probably shared across 200-250  vehicles again with 2 or  3 being used on many of the lower tier premium and TT tanks

 

So for me equipment 2.0 is not only the last straw for me spending another penny on the game, but I cant even guarantee I will want to  bother logging in to sort out the utter crap storm they will have created in my garage when they "automatically"  screw everything up leaving most of my tanks with missing equipment and god knows how many 10s of millions of silver I will have to earn  just to fix it making it impossible to even consider playing any special game modes or grinding any tech tree tanks while I was doing it

 

I play the game as a BREAK from work, not because I want MORE work so [edited]it, I've had enough of them constantly taking the piss and giving players the middle finger time and time again as this will leave many if not most of the tanks in my garage unusable and not worth the effort to buy hundreds of  duplicate pieces of equipment for them for the occassional times I use them when rapidly finishing off a crew skill or retraining a crew I have just moved into new tank which was the reason I purchased them in the first place, theyre NOT worth putting over a million credits of equipment on or wasting gold or silver on them to move the same pieces of equipment around endlessly making maybe half of my premium tanks a completely worthless waste of money now


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Robbie_T #10 Posted 02 August 2020 - 04:48 AM

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I also bought camonet and binocs for most of my tanks where i want to use it on.

1+ of the change

And that is that i dont have to wait for my cheap platoonmate have to switch there bino and camo....

 

 



Mikanoid #11 Posted 02 August 2020 - 06:56 AM

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View PostRobbie_T, on 02 August 2020 - 04:48 AM, said:

I also bought camonet and binocs for most of my tanks where i want to use it on.

1+ of the change

And that is that i dont have to wait for my cheap platoonmate have to switch there bino and camo....

 

 

They could have just changed automatically with a mod lol

 

So who is  the bigger fool? How much could you have had to spend on other things?



Homer_J #12 Posted 02 August 2020 - 07:45 AM

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View PostSoupFork, on 01 August 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

I have a very average account, not so many tanks (87) and no premium account, so I don’t make too many credits, especially now that I’m working on grinding tier IX’s and X’s. As a result, many of my tanks happily use the free to demount camo net, binocs and toolboxes now. 

 

But you are only using those because you can move them for free.  If you had to buy one for each tank currently you would leave those slots empty.

 

I've had a look on the test server, most of my tanks won't be changing anything, I only really have camo nets and binoculars on low tiers anyway, on serious tanks I have all 3 slots filled with permanent equipment.  I will have a depot full of improved configurations or whatever which I will be able to sell so I think I'll come out of it with a profit.

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BTW I never bought a toolkit, never considered they were worth the credits even with the ability to move them around, and somehow I have half a dozen of them.  So anything I can sell the replacement equipment for is straight profit.

SoupFork #13 Posted 02 August 2020 - 09:39 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 02 August 2020 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

But you are only using those because you can move them for free.  If you had to buy one for each tank currently you would leave those slots empty.

 

No, if they are no longer free, I’ll end up buying more suitable equipment in the long run which will cost me even more.

camo net = 100.000, vents or optics = 500.000...

 

the freely removable stuff was an acceptabele stop gap measure, but having zero equipment on it is just not realistic in the current 5 minute game meta.



OreH75 #14 Posted 02 August 2020 - 09:55 AM

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I don't care., got 63M at the moment and loads of equipment because of not using mods and too lazy to move equipment around..just pay or take the consequences freeloaders.

_6i6_ #15 Posted 02 August 2020 - 10:39 AM

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Slyspy #16 Posted 02 August 2020 - 11:05 AM

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I have a single toolbox which I have barely used. I suggest that if you use a toolbox regularly or have more than one then you are already running suboptimal configs or are wasting credits.

 

The vehicles that have nets, and there are not many, have their own.

 

The binocs are a bit of a pain though. Low tiers and TDs mostly though. I guess TD players may be more peeved than I am. 



Dava_117 #17 Posted 02 August 2020 - 04:40 PM

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I use just 1 toolbox, on my T-150. Will likely change it for the IRM if available. If not, I may keep the Imp.Conf. or try the Imp.Hard.

I have like 3 cammo net, at most. And never really used it. It's just a bushcamper equipment.

Binocs I have a couple I use as patch equipment on tanks, but it's not such a problem not being able to use them. All the other tanks I equipped have meaningful equipments.


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Ba_nshee #18 Posted 02 August 2020 - 05:50 PM

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Please calculate

 

I don't own a camo net or toolbox. I use bino on my one T10 SPG (and I have a total of 26 battles on it). I could possibly use it on one of my TD, because there is not really a better option - which will change with the new equipment in both cases, which means that I don't need my one bino anymore, so the result is 300k profit for me. :coin:


Edited by Ba_nshee, 02 August 2020 - 05:52 PM.


p6kk #19 Posted 02 August 2020 - 05:51 PM

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i dont care, i delete my account and i play another cool games. this 1.10 is the worst game patch anyway

Draakard #20 Posted 02 August 2020 - 05:53 PM

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It may be handy to document how much gear you have prior to patch 1.10 and after....

 

I have made this template for myself, but perhaps others could have use for it also.....

 

Just update the Nn values:

 

Improved Ventilation (Class 1) = Nn units
Improved Ventilation (Class 2) = Nn units
Improved Ventilation (Class 3) = Nn units
Will convert into:
-> Improved Ventilation (Class 3), Nn units (value 50.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
-> Improved Ventilation (Class 2), Nn units (value 200.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
-> Improved Ventilation (Class 1), Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Camouflage Net = Nn units
Will convert into:
-> Camouflage Net (Class 2) = Nn units (value 100.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Binoculars (+25%)= Nn units
Will convert into Binocular Telescope (Class 1), Nn units (Value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Medium-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer = Nn
Medium-Caliber Artillery Shell Rammer = Nn
Will convert into:
-> Gun Rammer (Class 2) = Nn units (value 300.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Large-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer = Nn units
Large-Caliber Artillery Shell Rammer = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Gun Rammer (Class 1) = Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Coated Optics = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Coated Optics (Class 1) = Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Enhanced Gun Laying Drive = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Enhanced Gun Laying Drive (Class 1) = Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Vertical Stabilizer Mk 1 = Nn units
Vertical Stabilizer Mk 2 = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Vertical Stabilizer (Class 1) = Nn units (Value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Light Spall Liner = Nn units
Medium Spall Liner = Nn units
Heavy Spall Liner = Nn units
Superheavy Spall Liner = Nn units
Will NOT convert
 
Enhanced Coil Springs Class 1 = Nn units 
Will convert into: 
-> Improved Hardening (Class 3) = Nn units (value 40.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Enhanced Coil Springs Class 2 = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Improved Hardening (Class 2) = Nn units (value 200.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Enhanced Coil Springs Class 3 = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Improved Hardening (Class 1) = Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Toolbox = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Modified Configuration (Class 1) = Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Fill Tanks with CO2 = Nn units
Will convert into: 
-> Modified Configuration (Class 1) = Nn units (value 600.000 / piece), total = Nn mill
 
Total value = Nn MILL credits
 
Bounty & Improved Equipment
Innovative Loading System (-12.5% ) = Nn units
Venting System (+7.5%) = Nn units
Experimental Optics (+12.5%) = Nn units
Stabilizing Equipment System (+25%) = Nn units
Wear-Resistant Gun Laying Drive (-12.5%) = Nn units
 
Be shocked how much your equipment is worth !!





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