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arthurwellsley #1 Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:32 AM

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Because of the object 140 being ToTT I re-purchased the T34 that I have not owned for years.

I slapped in a crew which I re-trained for silver and is at about 95% with 30% on first perk (unusable presently as not 100%).

I put a rammer and vents on it and played one game.

The thing that surprised me and I had forgotten was how huge the gun bloom on it was (I am playing the top 76mm rather than the 57mm).

It cannot mount vstab.

Mounting Improved Rotation Mechanism Class 2 has no effect in the garage on either aiming time or on dispersion at 100m. Hardly surprising as the description talks about firing on the move.

Enhanced Gun Laying Drive when mounted in the garage shows aiming time being reduced from 2.95 down to 2.68 but no reduction on dispersion of 0.42.

Mounting Improved Aiming in the garage shows aiming time remaining at 2.95, but dispersion at 100 metres improving from 0.42 down to 0.4.

 

Before Equipment 2.0 I expect that I would have just slapped an EGLD on this tank given the bloom. Now I am wondering should I try an IA on it? If so why?



fwhaatpiraat #2 Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:35 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 16 September 2020 - 10:32 AM, said:

(I am playing the top 76mm rather than the 57mm)

This is the mistake you make.



arthurwellsley #3 Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:40 AM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 16 September 2020 - 09:35 AM, said:

This is the mistake you make.

 

Yes you could well be correct. I had thought to play the 76mm until the crew reached 100% and then switch to the 57mm. But that bloom was so huge in the one game I played I might just switch to the 57mm straight away.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 16 September 2020 - 11:06 AM.


Strapps #4 Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:47 AM

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The 57mm has dispersion of 0.34 according to tanks.gg so that would seem to address much of the issue you're having before you even look at equipment. IIRC I was using vents, rammer and optics with the 57mm before Eq.2.0, swapping the vents for IRM might help on the move but vents reduce the dispersion to 0.33 with a difference of 0.01 in favour of IRM on the moving figures.

 

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_6i6_ #5 Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:48 AM

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yes its gun bloom  is ridiculously large, you can actually make coffee till it aims - just use the 57mm all the way

Hedgehog1963 #6 Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:52 AM

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Yeah that 57mm gun is the best.

arthurwellsley #7 Posted 16 September 2020 - 11:07 AM

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Switched to the 57mm gun and played one game;

Victory
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T-34
11,628    34,857   3,486 
 Battle achievements Pascucci's Medal, Mastery Badge: "Class I"

MoE: 14.24%    (+8.49%)    CMD: 1 564

Repairs:    -1 943  
Ammunition:    -18 088  
Total:    14 826      WN8: 6 029 (100)

 

Yes the 57mm gun is a way better choice.



Miepie #8 Posted 16 September 2020 - 11:15 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 16 September 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

Switched to the 57mm gun and played one game;

Victory
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T-34
11,628    34,857   3,486 
 Battle achievements Pascucci's Medal, Mastery Badge: "Class I"

MoE: 14.24%    (+8.49%)    CMD: 1 564

Repairs:    -1 943  
Ammunition:    -18 088  
Total:    14 826      WN8: 6 029 (100)

 

Yes the 57mm gun is a way better choice.

18k credits spent on ammunition in a tier 5 tank... Have you applied to the Dingers yet? :medal:

 

EDIT: Hm, looking at the 2800 credits for a single 57mm APCR shell, that is actually not a lot of gold fired. Nevermind! :ohmy:


Edited by Miepie, 16 September 2020 - 11:18 AM.


Gwynbleidd11 #9 Posted 16 September 2020 - 12:02 PM

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Nice, another gold noob detected

fwhaatpiraat #10 Posted 16 September 2020 - 12:16 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 16 September 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

Switched to the 57mm gun and played one game;

Victory
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T-34
11,628    34,857   3,486 
 Battle achievements Pascucci's Medal, Mastery Badge: "Class I"

MoE: 14.24%    (+8.49%)    CMD: 1 564

Repairs:    -1 943  
Ammunition:    -18 088  
Total:    14 826      WN8: 6 029 (100)

 

Yes the 57mm gun is a way better choice.


Another poor victim of the '76mm gun trap' got saved ;)



shikaka9 #11 Posted 16 September 2020 - 12:41 PM

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Steeleye_Spam #12 Posted 16 September 2020 - 12:52 PM

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Gameplay wise even with the 57mm, its not good at long range engagements - its a DPM tank, so getting up close and dirty is the way to go. If you're point blank, gun bloom and aim time are less important.

BR33K1_PAWAH #13 Posted 16 September 2020 - 12:55 PM

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View PostStrapps, on 16 September 2020 - 12:47 PM, said:

swapping the vents for IRM 

 

:great:



upliftedDevil #14 Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:41 PM

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Just checked my referal, played by my friend ofc not me, t34 with 57 mm has 4k+ wn8 with 75%+ crew, and Im a bob, I mean my friend is  Beast of a tank 

arthurwellsley #15 Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:50 PM

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View PostGwynbleidd11, on 16 September 2020 - 11:02 AM, said:

Nice, another gold noob detected


Another not very bright or useful comment from Gwynbleidd11.

1. You should really consider how your posts generally are perceived by readers. Have you any insight into how most of them read?

2. Did you perhaps think to consider shells fired in gameplay at what, when and why?

3. I will frequently shoot obvious bushes in the hope of blind shooting enemies if there is nothing else available to shoot at. This can prove costly in silver but has an overall benefit in my winning matches. I consider it a cost worth paying.

 

As I said in the original post this was a 95% crew with no active perks and so they are likely to miss more often. In fact I shot 29 shells and 19 of them hit and only 15 penetrated. Pretty easy to see why this tank made a loss on that game despite dealing 1,090 damage, coming top for exp, and top for damage, and getting 1st class. I certainly fired a few gold shells when trying to penetrate an AT2 before giving that up as a bad job and moving to different targets, and may have initially forgotten to press 1 after loading 2 for the AT2. I may also be a noob and may well always be a noob. But I know the difference between keys 1, 2 and 3 and most of the time will attempt to pick the correct ammo choice for the tank I am in compared to the positioning and tank I am facing, and that does not make me a "gold noob". Only an idiot in this game would handicap themselves by not judiciously pressing the 2 key when the situation demanded it. Similarly I enjoy pressing the 3 key to put HE rounds into waffentragers and Skorpion G's when the situation warrants it. Does that make me an "HE noob"?

 

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Edited by arthurwellsley, 16 September 2020 - 01:50 PM.


Balc0ra #16 Posted 16 September 2020 - 02:01 PM

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I've honestly not played it after Equipment 2.0. But 57mm, close the distance and circlejerk them to death works wonders on it. As pre 2.0 I went with anything to get the ROF better, vs the aim better. As on the distance I fight with it, and that ROF. Bloom won't matter that much. Tho ofc I can't say how much of an impact that has on the 57mm with a sub 100% gunner etc. 

Lanrefni #17 Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:29 AM

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the dispersion values are crappy on both T-34 and Type T-34.

the 76mm is not the way to go and never was.

 

use vents, IRM (if available - because no vstabs) and/or optics.

rammer is quite useless - you will reload faster than you can aim, and you're shaving at best 0.3-0.5 seconds of reload which in reality changes next-to-nothing.

 



Robbie_T #18 Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:21 AM

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the gun mark on that tank is funny tiny little redstar

NekoPuffer_PPP #19 Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:38 AM

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See, size doesn't always matter. :justwait:

 

Man, I remember playing it many many years ago, that 57mm was the bee's knees. Has it held up until today?



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 17 September 2020 - 02:38 AM, said:

See, size doesn't always matter. :justwait:

 

Man, I remember playing it many many years ago, that 57mm was the bee's knees. Has it held up until today?

size never mattered, baby. 

what matters - is what you're doing with it.






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