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Dwigt #1 Posted 09 October 2020 - 11:38 AM

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Hello Commanders,

 

The top of the tree of the new Italian Heavy line, the Rinoceronte, is coming to the Supertest!

 

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12/10/2020 Update:

The Standard Shell is not AP anymore but replaced with ACPR. Special shell remains as HEAT shell. 
Those should be the current stats of both shells:
1468m/s shell velocity for APCR

1173 m/s shell velocity for HEAT

 

20/10/2020 Update:

Total HP reduced from 2150 to 2000.
Increased the dispersion during hull rotation and movement 0.22 to 0.24.

 

Speaking of Rhinos, here are 25 facts about this majestic beast!

 

More info will follow, stay tuned!

 

Roll out!


Edited by Dwigt, 20 October 2020 - 09:04 AM.
Updated stats on 20/10


CRUSHERX8 #2 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:12 PM

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That's going to be one good looking tank! Thanks for the updates ^^

baratoz1701 #3 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:15 PM

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any chance to make the turret not so ugly?

BethHarmon #4 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:21 PM

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Even when single-firing the gun when you have 3 shots, wait for the shot to reload, the tank has only 2000 base DPM. I fear that might be a bit lacking in a tier 10 sense.

In fact I think it has the lowest DPM among all tier 10 heavy tanks, though I guess it is in-line with the other auto-reloader tank (Progetto 65), having the worst DPM in its class.

However, this is a heavy tank we are talking about, and it lacks the flexibility of a medium tank presumably. I would like to see it having slightly higher DPM so it can hold its own on the frontline.



leggasiini #5 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:34 PM

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It has the best AP penetration out of all tier 10 heavies, but then it has very underwhelming special shells? Super good standard pen but bad gold pen...unusual design choice, I must say. 1.5 sec aim time is also...maybe a bit unreasonably good for a heavy with 490 alpha? 

 

Looks pretty interesting otherwise, and as someone who likes weird looking tanks, I actually like it visually :>


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View Postleggasiini, on 09 October 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

It has the best AP penetration out of all tier 10 heavies

 

I think chief has 270 pen on normal rounds.

 

1.5 sec aim time is amazing :great:



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View PostGodTank2, on 09 October 2020 - 03:36 PM, said:

 

I think chief has 270 pen on normal rounds.

 

1.5 sec aim time is amazing :great:

Chief has APCR, not AP, though. Rinoceronte has the highest standard AP pen, and while it has 2 mm lower pen than Chief, I'd argue that 268 mm AP > 270 mm APCR. 



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View Postleggasiini, on 09 October 2020 - 04:43 PM, said:

Chief has APCR, not AP, though. Rinoceronte has the highest standard AP pen, and while it has 2 mm lower pen than Chief, I'd argue that 268 mm AP > 270 mm APCR. 

i take the higher shell velocity any day.



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View PostGodTank2, on 09 October 2020 - 01:54 PM, said:

i take the higher shell velocity any day.

 

Most high tier AP is pretty fast anyway and the increased normalisation just makes it a better round, APCR from my experience has some funky bounces. 

 

A 268 AP round it just going to superior to 270 APCR IMO. The 277 has 265 and that has over 1k m/s shell velocity and its just a very solid round, doesn't feel like it gets trolled by RNG like some ACPR rounds do.

 

View Postleggasiini, on 09 October 2020 - 01:34 PM, said:

It has the best AP penetration out of all tier 10 heavies, but then it has very underwhelming special shells? Super good standard pen but bad gold pen...unusual design choice, I must say. 1.5 sec aim time is also...maybe a bit unreasonably good for a heavy with 490 alpha? 

 

Looks pretty interesting otherwise, and as someone who likes weird looking tanks, I actually like it visually :>

 

Surely a good design choice? Actually makes AP the better round in more scenarios, especially if the HEAT has slower velocity.

 

On initial look the gun handling looks too good, but when you look at the DPM, the mobility being ok but not great and the probability that the turret is not going to bounce much (listed as 190 and looks not that well angled) then this tank looks more like 50b than Kranvagn.

 

And the Kranvagn as a comparisons brings those stats into more focus when you realise a Kranvagn is faster than this tank, with more hp/ton, more gun depression, better intra-clip, a near invincible turret and around 50% better base DPM (and that is the Rhino at optimum DPM), then the aim time, accuracy and standard pen doesn't look so good IMO.

 

If you fully clip someone for 1470 damage, then you have nearly 58s before you can do it again.  So in clip mode its basically got 1500 DPM, a Kranvagn is approaching 3 clips in the same time and a rammer equipped Super Conq is able to pump out more than double the amount of damage. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View Postbaratoz1701, on 09 October 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

any chance to make the turret not so ugly?


speak for yourself, I love the design 

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View PostMaxandChloe4ever, on 09 October 2020 - 01:21 PM, said:

Even when single-firing the gun when you have 3 shots, wait for the shot to reload, the tank has only 2000 base DPM. I fear that might be a bit lacking in a tier 10 sense.

In fact I think it has the lowest DPM among all tier 10 heavy tanks, though I guess it is in-line with the other auto-reloader tank (Progetto 65), having the worst DPM in its class.

However, this is a heavy tank we are talking about, and it lacks the flexibility of a medium tank presumably. I would like to see it having slightly higher DPM so it can hold its own on the frontline.


it should NOT get more dpm, its already got the potential to clip tanks and fire single shots, as it stands this looks balanced, improving dpm means it has no drawbacks 



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@Dwigt

Hi!

Have u info about the crew?

How about: tier 7 / 8 / 9 + prem tank?

Thx



crst44 #12 Posted 09 October 2020 - 06:08 PM

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It has far better gunhandling than T10 ITA MT ... you have nerfed recently:facepalm:

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View Posttajj7, on 09 October 2020 - 03:11 PM, said:

Most high tier AP is pretty fast anyway and the increased normalisation just makes it a better round, APCR from my experience has some funky bounces. 

 

A 268 AP round it just going to superior to 270 APCR IMO. The 277 has 265 and that has over 1k m/s shell velocity and its just a very solid round, doesn't feel like it gets trolled by RNG like some ACPR rounds do.

 

 

Surely a good design choice? Actually makes AP the better round in more scenarios, especially if the HEAT has slower velocity

 

I'm honestly confused whether it actually has AP Or APCR, as the wotexpress Supertest screenshots show it as APCR:

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So uhm.. :mellow:



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View PostFleiszG, on 09 October 2020 - 05:46 PM, said:

@Dwigt

Hi!

Have u info about the crew?

How about: tier 7 / 8 / 9 + prem tank?

Thx

check the photo: 3-man crew - commander, gunner, driver



Ricky_Rolls #15 Posted 09 October 2020 - 06:18 PM

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190mm on the turret seems pretty trash.

leggasiini #16 Posted 09 October 2020 - 06:27 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 09 October 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

 

I'm honestly confused whether it actually has AP Or APCR, as the wotexpress Supertest screenshots show it as APCR:

Spoiler

 

So uhm.. :mellow:

 

Considering the image is taken directly from the game, I think it would be safe to assume that it indeed has APCR instead of AP, especially it has super fast shell velocity. No AP shells have that kind of velocity. The 268 mm pen it has also makes more sense now.

 

Could be a simple mistake from WG on the image they shared.



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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 09 October 2020 - 06:18 PM, said:

190mm on the turret seems pretty trash.

it's angled tho, so on flat ground, it should be like 250-260 (maybe more) effective, and when using all the -10 gun dep it will prob go to above 300 effective. It's fine, we don't really need more tanks that have WAY to much turret armor. :D



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Adding this to the list of things i cant unsee

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View Postundutchable80, on 09 October 2020 - 05:11 PM, said:

check the photo: 3-man crew - commander, gunner, driver


Hi!

Yes, i see it.

And what about the crews for other tiers (7/8/9 + prem tank)

Why i thing they will be with 4 crew member.



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Rinoceronte armor layout, skip to few minutes or so. He looks at the tank from weird angles with APCR shells selected, but it still gives you a rough idea of it.

 

  • Turret is better than I expected; he looks from it above but the cheeks are 260 mm effective against APCR from that angle, which is probably around 250 mm effective against AP. That's not great, but considering it's a turret that relies in angles and you'll rarely get a chance to shoot it from above (and even if you do you can just shoot the upper plate anyway), it should be a lot more on flat ground. I'd expect that it's around 270-280 mm effective against AP and more against APCR and HEAT. However, considering it gets -10 gun depression, the armor should become a lot stronger when the tank uses its gun depression. I'd imagine that with full -10 gun depression, the cheek armor reaches well over +350 mm effective armor against HEAT, so only TD gold shells will be able to challenge it.
  • Turret does have a weakspot - as he shows in around 8 minute mark, there's a small tumor on top of the turret that will probably be around ~200 mm effective. Its small, but its really weak and since its attached on the top of the gun section, it should still be there even when using your gun depression. I guess that might be why they gave it such an amazing gun handling, so it can wiggle and then snap shots effectively to make it a harder target to it. Not bad, IMO it's not good that it's an invincible hulldown monster, especially considering its a fast tank with 490 alpha autoreloader, and it seems like one of the smaller tumors out there so it should be really hard to hit from any longer distance than 100 meters.
  • Hull is...troll, but not spectacular. UFP seems to be similar to tanks like 277 or T95/Chieftain, so it can sometimes bounce standard shells and can be trollish especially when moving but it will be wrecked by HEAT, and will lbe an easy pen if you aim down on it. 
  • Lower plate seems to be at worst 220 effective, which is not bad for a tank like that, and because of its shape parts of it reaches well over +270 and will be an autobounce from some angles. It also has 20 mm spaced armor panels next to the tracks, so there's that too. It reminds me from E5 lower plate, except its smaller and probably more trollish overall.

 

Its not super heavily armored, but its still more armored than I thought considering its a heavium with a 490 alpha autoreloader.







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