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High-Tier Medium Vehicle Rebalancing in Update 1.10.1

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Community #1 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:00 PM


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We’re adjusting the battle performance of several German, Chinese, and Soviet high-tier medium tanks.

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baratoz1701 #2 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:11 PM

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The frontal turret armor of the 121 will be strengthened


err I think you mean Hull (unless there are turret buffs that are not actually listed)

Edited by baratoz1701, 09 October 2020 - 02:14 PM.

undutchable80 #3 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:12 PM

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You forgot to improve the WZ-120 gun depression.


And you also forgot to mention when this update will go live.

EDIT: Update 1.10.1 will take place between SH season 3 and the Halloween event according to this. So expect the update to come next week.

Edited by undutchable80, 13 October 2020 - 06:49 AM.

Marppuli #4 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:30 PM


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I still can't understand why the Leopard PT A is getting a nerf. It has no armor unlike many other medium tanks, which severely limits its flexibility, and has only somewhat better mobility (apart from top speed, which is rarely relevant) and camo rating. The excellent gun is the only thing it really has going on for it, and the tank is certainly not overperforming statistically when compared to other tanks of its tier. I want to like the tank, but I have more success with most other tier IX medium tanks, and nerfing it by essentially removing its vertical stabilizers it will become even less flexible and reliant on good sniping maps.

And meanwhile you're buffing Obj.140 which is was already one of the more popular tanks in the game, but apparently not good enough anymore due to powercreep at tier X... :sceptic:

But where are the nerfs to Soviet tanks? Germans apparently have to pay for their buffs with nerfs elsewhere.

Also, please do something about the Panther 8,8 - it is a horribly underpowered tier VIII premium medium tank. It is big, sluggish, armor barely bounces shots, and its own gun lacks in penetration to utilize its accuracy and DPM - even premium round has only 237mm penetration, which will struggle against many tier IX opponents, let alone tier X.

Gruff_ #5 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:32 PM

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Obj 140 was fine, a really well balanced vehicle.


T-62a hello did you forget about this one?  This is the Russian medium that needed some buffs.


Also I'm considering investing 4 girl crew into the STB-1 line, are there any plans to nerf those tanks in the near future?

Edited by Gruff_, 09 October 2020 - 02:34 PM.

upliftedDevil #6 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:33 PM


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"It became an unrivaled adversary on the battlefield" lol yeah, look at all those Leos in every game, 0,2 or even more! 

_Rookie #7 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:42 PM


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Agree with Marppuli :

I dont have Leopard PTA in my garage, but Im afraid him a lot less than T54 or another medium except japan 61 (t9). LEO PTA have only gun and speed - which not very impressive comparing to russians and italians. Its has very specific play style, and WG make this style even more narrower, than for russians for example ob140 again going to be dingger. OB140 vanished from servers not because it become obsolete or lost power, its just that many ob140 drivers jumped to progettos. OB140 still strong No2, so after increasing it armor it will be competing with progetto for No1, forgeting about other nation TX mediums. OB140 can be played very versatile, from brawler to sniper, but LEO PTA cant be brawler and WG trying to ruin it as a sniper. Though K91 is better sniper from a distance than Leo.

There is simple rule - either tank must be strong in some specific atributte or it must be quite versatile, but dont have very special niche. So Leo was sniper, but ob140 become universal soldier with some best soft stats.

Not good. Simple - not fair.

Edited by _Rookie, 22 October 2020 - 02:20 PM.

Cpt_VV #8 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:46 PM


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With drunken ruski voice:

Obj 140 - yees,dis comrad tonk needs to be stronk:izmena:

PTA - tonk guud, need nerf a litl bit:confused:


Also, when u were rebalancing german line, u've could've done a little bit more with Panther 8.8. This current change is just a side effect from rebalancing E50.


Edited by Cpt_VV, 09 October 2020 - 02:56 PM.

env1ro #9 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:48 PM


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I hope someday WZ-120's gun depression will be buffed. I really liked to play this one.


Good news for me is that, E 50 and E 50M will be now more playable due to frontal turrent armor buff! :izmena:

rcdsilva #10 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:55 PM


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Frankly where did they see that the Leopard PTA is overpowered, when you check the winrate of the tanks it's not even that good... It's just weird. I wish they would elaborate on how they reached that conclusion. 

Miepie #11 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:56 PM

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View Postrcdsilva, on 09 October 2020 - 02:55 PM, said:

Frankly where did they see that the Leopard PTA is overpowered, when you check the winrate of the tanks it's not even that good... It's just weird. I wish they would elaborate on how they reached that conclusion. 

One day, one of them did damage to a Russian tank. That was deemed unacceptable. :D

Rohamnyuszi #12 Posted 09 October 2020 - 02:57 PM


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Actually you are making soviet bias stronger here due to the unnecessary obj 140 buff, while nerfing the italian line under the ground.


The e50 line buff is more than welcomed, even when they arent match for the soviets even now.


The PTA nerf is just pathetic and the reason you mentioned is nuts. That tank has only one advantage above soviets (not mentioning hidden stats here) and by nerfing it you just make the balance more siding with soviets at tier 9.


The chinese buff is also a good idea, however the situation is still the same, soviet tanks are still much more better than them what makes it irrelevant to spend time grinding this line. 


In the era of OP premium tanks, it doesnt really makes sense to waste time on grinding techtree tanks anyway, but at least you should roleplay the motivation to make balance between nations. Right now its too obvious that soviet tanks should be always better than their competitors, even when its quite clear that it lacks any historical or reality sense.

Edited by Rohamnyuszi, 09 October 2020 - 02:59 PM.

SlyMeerkat #13 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:02 PM


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I always get a real bad feeling whenever WG decide to "rebalance" something nowadays :/

Shrewd_Ape_In_The_Mist #14 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:10 PM


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Before balancing anything in the game, first you need to balance out your balance team because it's broken like most russian tanks.

Edited by Shrewd_Ape_In_The_Mist, 09 October 2020 - 04:34 PM.

Cobra6 #15 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:14 PM

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Good to see the E-50M finally starting to live up to it's role: An armored medium tank. The frontal turret buff was long overdue and so was the penetration increase.

It also needs more DPM though, not much but just more then the E-50.


I do look forward to the T-34-1 buffs as this really is a fun medium tank but the gun is too potato.


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Hammerhead20 #16 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:19 PM


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First, you completely ruined Standard B and the whole Italian medium tanks line...


Now again this idiotic nonsense with Leo PT A...


But wait! At least you "buffed" already decent rusky medium tank! Wow!!!


How about stop [edited]drinking before going to [edited]"balance" something?


And how long we will going to wait when E-50 and E-50M will be "nerfed" to crapagain? 

_Saqis64_GR_ #17 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:25 PM


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buff obj 140?

wtf are you thinking WG?

Agility_Squirrel #18 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:36 PM


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Not much to say on the E 50 or E 50 M, but could the Panther 8,8 get a mobility buff? Or a pen buff? I still think it was a mistake to buff the alpha of the 88mm gun instead of pen values...



Leave the 122mm on the T-34-2 alone, it's kinda-sorta fine as is, instead fix the 100mm so that it's in line with the Type 59 and T-44! Also, WZ-120 is still waiting for that gun depression buff.


And I don't understand why the Obj140 or the Leo PTA needs to be fiddled with. Leave them be.

Misago #19 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:37 PM

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The E-50 needs a bit more turret armor as the "heavily-armored medium".


Most of the chinese mediums still need a gun depression buff. The T54 is unhistorical because it would be annoying to play with -3 depression, so why the hell did you give the chinese meds -3?




In the supertest thread you guys literally said "the 140 is doing fine, we'll just make it more comfortable". How about buffing the tanks that are underperforming, rather than ones that are completely fine?


Seriously, what kind of monkeys run the balance department?

Vitezpomijar #20 Posted 09 October 2020 - 03:38 PM


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Again nerfing most enjoyable tanks in the game. Brainless

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