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Private_Miros #21 Posted 15 October 2020 - 11:47 AM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 October 2020 - 10:45 AM, said:

 

Funny how I appeared to lack that skill to work with or past bad team mates in WOT despite playing it for many years, yet gained it almost immediately after starting War Thunder. Maybe it is not me who lacks something, maybe it is WOT.

 

Your stats in WT aren't substantially different from those in WG when looking at player brackets.

 

That you feel more comfortable in the mechanics of one than the other doesn't automatically mean that "the other" lacks somethings objectively.



jack_timber #22 Posted 15 October 2020 - 11:51 AM

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If you play for fun then it's a good game, best tank game out there IMO.

qpranger #23 Posted 15 October 2020 - 11:54 AM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 15 October 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

Your stats in WT aren't substantially different from those in WG when looking at player brackets.

 

My recent win rate in WOT was 49.6 per cent, worse than my overall win rate, despite my other key stats improving.

(https://www.noobmete...20191219_193733)

Something is clearly rotten in WOT.

 

Whereas my win rate in War Thunder has already exceeded 51.7 per cent and my performance rating there is also better than in WOT, despite me having to learn new game mechanics, new maps, etc.

(https://thunderskill...n/stat/qpranger)



Miepie #24 Posted 15 October 2020 - 11:55 AM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 October 2020 - 11:45 AM, said:

 

Funny how I appeared to lack that skill to work with or past bad team mates in WOT despite playing it for many years, yet gained it almost immediately after starting War Thunder. Maybe it is not me who lacks something, maybe it is WOT.

...Guided missiles? :ohmy:



qpranger #25 Posted 15 October 2020 - 11:58 AM

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View PostMiepie, on 15 October 2020 - 01:55 PM, said:

...Guided missiles? :ohmy:

 

No, I play lower tiers, tanks from 30s and 40s, no gimmicks.



Japualtah #26 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:20 PM

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Great, another topic blaming WG for players' shortcomings.

 

*yawns*



DaniulSims #27 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:20 PM

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How ironic that you, of all people, created a topic about toxicity.

Private_Miros #28 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:20 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 October 2020 - 10:54 AM, said:

 

My recent win rate in WOT was 49.6 per cent, worse than my overall win rate, despite my other key stats improving.

(https://www.noobmete...20191219_193733)

Something is clearly rotten in WOT.

 

Whereas my win rate in War Thunder has already exceeded 51.7 per cent and my performance rating there is also better than in WOT, despite me having to learn new game mechanics, new maps, etc.

(https://thunderskill...n/stat/qpranger)

 

I'm not sure of how you being an average player in WoT is an indication that something is clearly rotten.

 

Wouldn't it be more rotten if you didn't get average results with average performance?



NekoPuffer_PPP #29 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:22 PM

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I haven't touched WoT ever since Genshin Impact came out two weeks ago. No more frustration for me!

 

38260 :great:



qpranger #30 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:27 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 15 October 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

 

I'm not sure of how you being an average player in WoT is an indication that something is clearly rotten.

 

Wouldn't it be more rotten if you didn't get average results with average performance?

 

I'm not sure of why you are stubbornly avoiding the issue here of individual efficiency improving but win rate deteriorating despite playing an already familiar game - compared to win rate improving in unfamiliar game in concurrence with improving individual efficiency. But whatever your motive to derail this conversation, I don't really care. Because War Thunder gives me what WOT denied me despite my improvement. Frontline is all WOT is good for me now.



StinkyStonky #31 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:38 PM

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View PostDiscontinued, on 15 October 2020 - 09:11 AM, said:

Also my current go to game when I'm annoyed is Fallguys

WoT NEEDS a Fallguys mode.

Never mind the Fortnite/Battle Royale style of Steel Hunter, we need sweepy, spinny things that bash tanks off into oblivion !!

 



Gixxer66 #32 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:54 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 October 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

 

I'm not sure of why you are stubbornly avoiding the issue here of individual efficiency improving but win rate deteriorating despite playing an already familiar game - compared to win rate improving in unfamiliar game in concurrence with improving individual efficiency. But whatever your motive to derail this conversation, I don't really care. Because War Thunder gives me what WOT denied me despite my improvement. Frontline is all WOT is good for me now.

 

So move on then ?

Is that 51% WR in the PVE mode ? Just asking for a friend.



Private_Miros #33 Posted 15 October 2020 - 12:56 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 October 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

 

I'm not sure of why you are stubbornly avoiding the issue here of individual efficiency improving but win rate deteriorating despite playing an already familiar game - compared to win rate improving in unfamiliar game in concurrence with improving individual efficiency. But whatever your motive to derail this conversation, I don't really care. Because War Thunder gives me what WOT denied me despite my improvement. Frontline is all WOT is good for me now.

 

Familiarity =/= skill.

 

And not everyone can be over average. You simply haven't improved meaningfully in WoT to get better results. It does not deny you anything.

Either you argue that WT suits your abilities better, which is fair, or you argue that WoT should let you win more merely out of respect for your battle count, which isn't.


Edited by Private_Miros, 15 October 2020 - 12:57 PM.


qpranger #34 Posted 15 October 2020 - 01:04 PM

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View PostGixxer66, on 15 October 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

 

So move on then ?

Is that 51% WR in the PVE mode ? Just asking for a friend.

 

PVP of course.



DaniulSims #35 Posted 15 October 2020 - 01:29 PM

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On the topic of WT WR vs WoT WR,

I am in the upper skill ceiling in WT. I've played it for years, I can maximize whatever my airplane is good at when in the sky, and I know the inside of most tanks and perfectly memorized most maps when on the ground.

With the context out of the way, my WR varies wildly between Nations, of all things. The way the WT Battle Rating system creates not only holes which takes a lot of time to fill (good luck finding a 2.0 BR battle in Realistic Battles), and also power vacuums/very biased matchups at certain brackets.

To better illustrate, I have an 85% average Winrate in my 3.0 to 4.3 Russian lineup for tanks, that's the bracket at which T-34s reign supreme. Further then, I have a 30 something odd % WR at 4.3 through to 5.7, where the big German cats dominate absolutely everything, and, for a more recent example, I have a 76% WR in my 2.3 BR Chat B1 Bis, which lowers itself down to 40ish % for the ARL-44, at double the BR.

WT average WR is an absolutely trash metric to determine skill due to this bias at most BR brackets, and also because the battles are way too drawn out/with too many players for a single player to make any difference. I once had 20+ kills without a single death in my Char B1 Bis in a single match, and I still lost, because I still remained alone against whoever I couldn't shoot at, whilst my team's 30 to 40 tanks spawned all materialize into nothing.

qpranger #36 Posted 15 October 2020 - 01:49 PM

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I suspect that you mean Realistic Battles, where vehicles of one or two nations fight vehicles of one or two other nations? In that mode there can be indeed rather substantial WR fluctuations in the manner that you describe. Whereas I play Arcade Battles, where there is a random and diverse mixture of vehicles of different nations on both teams, which precludes such substantial WR fluctuations.

 

EDIT: But this reminded me of another crucial stat - average finishing position on the team. Which I never thought about while I played WOT because I never saw it in my stats. Is there a WOT statistics website out there that I have missed out on that extracts this indicator, because I would love to compare it to what I have achieved in War Thunder? There my average finishing position on the team is currently at 62 per cent and I am doing my best to increase it further.


Edited by qpranger, 15 October 2020 - 01:53 PM.


xOneTrickPoneyx #37 Posted 16 October 2020 - 11:52 AM

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Yesterday evening was a real Shitshow of a session!

Not that i did bad at all, most games were actually quite nice.

 

But man o man, it seens all the toxic players were out in force playing...

Man the trolls, the ping the map, the shoot you, ram you, push you, spam chat, post battle insults via chat and so on... Was in a all time high!

 

I dont get it, i honestly dont!

And worst part is, when i go and check the stats of these ppl doing this stuff im shocked to find out most part are players with 50k+ battles under their belt, so i guess alot of frustated ppl that shouldnt be playing this game anymore or at least take a long breather from it, but keep playing and sole kick they get out of it is to insult ppl, especially new players...

 

Toxicity is never good, in any game!



GodTank2 #38 Posted 16 October 2020 - 12:02 PM

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play another 10k games and come tell us how crapthe game is

stormermp #39 Posted 16 October 2020 - 12:16 PM

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View PostxOneTrickPoneyx, on 16 October 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

Yesterday evening was a real Shitshow of a session!

Not that i did bad at all, most games were actually quite nice.

 

But man o man, it seens all the toxic players were out in force playing...

Man the trolls, the ping the map, the shoot you, ram you, push you, spam chat, post battle insults via chat and so on... Was in a all time high!

 

I dont get it, i honestly dont!

And worst part is, when i go and check the stats of these ppl doing this stuff im shocked to find out most part are players with 50k+ battles under their belt, so i guess alot of frustated ppl that shouldnt be playing this game anymore or at least take a long breather from it, but keep playing and sole kick they get out of it is to insult ppl, especially new players...

 

Toxicity is never good, in any game!

The game itself IS toxic,it promotes toxicity,it's mechanics largely being arty and some tanks are toxic beyond repair.Not to mention the desparity among the player base as it is lacking balanced compositions because more than 80% of players is under average or simply don't care about teamplay.



Private_Miros #40 Posted 16 October 2020 - 12:20 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 October 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

EDIT: But this reminded me of another crucial stat - average finishing position on the team. Which I never thought about while I played WOT because I never saw it in my stats. Is there a WOT statistics website out there that I have missed out on that extracts this indicator, because I would love to compare it to what I have achieved in War Thunder? There my average finishing position on the team is currently at 62 per cent and I am doing my best to increase it further.

 

Avg xp.

 

Though the age old problem here is that only base xp should count.







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