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M6 Mutant in todays game, is there a way to make it better with equipment 2.0?


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Daniel_M #1 Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:12 PM

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I play the game on and off, have the old Mtant, seems these days to get pretty quickly wrecked by arty, 3 dead crew isnt unusual at times, DPM is low, front armour is trollish until teh tier 8 and 9 start spaming premium ammo, gun I find average with poor penetration.

 

Tonight in a fit of angst I fitted the Turbo charger, Spall liner, and Improved hardening, actually thinking of adding the Improved Configuration to boost the repair speed over Turbo charger, but you feel it in aim and dpm. Previously I used rammer, vents, vert stab, but again dont do that well unless I am lucky enough to get a corridor, then its praying AP will pen. As a rule when the enemy fires premium at me I see that as OK to switch ammo myself, crew is 79% second skill, BIA was 1st, I should have picked repair but didnt so will have to wait til 3rd choice, I also bought 50 demount kits, blew my in game credit savings in one fell swoop but now have a few choices in the depo.

 

Any tips on equipment and opinions? Anyone using this found an ideal or marked improvement regarding any equipment 2.0 changes?

 

 

 



kaneloon #2 Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:40 PM

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I would have stayed with your old equipment, it cannot be wrong. Just don't stay under arty fire. Go in town and/or abuse your frontal turret armor.



saxsan4 #3 Posted 19 October 2020 - 11:30 PM

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????

 

its literally the best tier 8 heavy atm

 

I use Vents / bounty rammer / stabiliser 

 

 

your armour is so amazing, even tier 9s struggle frontally, alpha is decent enough at 320 , and your speed is not too shabby, tall profile makes arty a pin but you have enough to work with

 

also pref mm means its golden 


Edited by saxsan4, 20 October 2020 - 12:57 AM.


SupremeMaster #4 Posted 20 October 2020 - 12:33 AM

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Dont play it in a platoon and ur gold. Thank me lata.

Gruff_ #5 Posted 20 October 2020 - 01:20 AM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 19 October 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

 

its literally the best tier 8 heavy atm

 really...



saxsan4 #6 Posted 20 October 2020 - 01:34 AM

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View PostGruff_, on 20 October 2020 - 12:20 AM, said:

 really...


look at my. stats in it, one of my best performing tier 8 heaved, more than defender 



Balc0ra #7 Posted 20 October 2020 - 01:54 AM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 20 October 2020 - 01:34 AM, said:


look at my. stats in it, one of my best performing tier 8 heaved, more than defender 

 

Well, I do well in the CDC or even the Patton KR. Don't mean it's the best tier 8 prem medium around. It's still... subjective and down to style too etc. You know what they say, whatever floats your boat. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 20 October 2020 - 01:56 AM.


Hyina #8 Posted 20 October 2020 - 01:57 AM

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With increased pen and amount of premium these days, it's lost the only adv it had which was frontal armour. Plus you don't even need prem to pen the turret.

 

Gun handling and accuracy is attrocious, base pen is bad so you need to dab the 2 key a lot when brawling vs heavies frontally, side and rear able to be penned by HE, as well as all the usual HT drawbacks of being sluggish, poor camo etc.

 

Also doesn't offer much protection against crew, it's not uncommon to have more than 1 crew knocked out at a time.

 

One of the worst T8 heavies I've played.

 

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Setup-wise you probably want Spall liner, vents and rammer/config.


Edited by Hyina, 20 October 2020 - 01:59 AM.


saxsan4 #9 Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:15 AM

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View PostHyina, on 20 October 2020 - 12:57 AM, said:

With increased pen and amount of premium these days, it's lost the only adv it had which was frontal armour. Plus you don't even need prem to pen the turret.

 

Gun handling and accuracy is attrocious, base pen is bad so you need to dab the 2 key a lot when brawling vs heavies frontally, side and rear able to be penned by HE, as well as all the usual HT drawbacks of being sluggish, poor camo etc.

 

Also doesn't offer much protection against crew, it's not uncommon to have more than 1 crew knocked out at a time.

 

One of the worst T8 heavies I've played.

 

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Setup-wise you probably want Spall liner, vents and rammer/config.


if the armour is so bad as you say how come ive won 1v1 in games against tier 9 who were  55% win rate players? , how come I got 5 steel walls in my first 11 games, how come I have massively increased win rate compared to my normal ones, how come its got one of my best dmg blocked armour of all tier 8s

 

you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts I think the saying goes 

 

its frontal armour remains one of the best at tier 8 , not as OP as ts5 , defender but is much much better than defender as has lower reload and better soft stats with gun, also 204 pen is enough if you learn the weak spots like I do, 245 gold pen is more than enough because remember IT DOESNT SEE TIER 10S

 

 

also why on earth would you use spall liner?, you need to get that DPM up as much as possible and the airtime down

 

 


Edited by saxsan4, 20 October 2020 - 02:16 AM.


Robbie_T #10 Posted 20 October 2020 - 05:20 AM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 19 October 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

????

 

its literally the best tier 8 heavy atm

 

I use Vents / bounty rammer / stabiliser 

 

 

your armour is so amazing, even tier 9s struggle frontally, alpha is decent enough at 320 , and your speed is not too shabby, tall profile makes arty a pin but you have enough to work with

 

also pref mm means its golden 

Good weekend tank

But as soon you meet a  player that has a brain the shoout you straight threw the turret especially tier 9

But it can be fun( was more fun in the past)

 

Tip from me 

What i also like to do whne its 1 vs 1

d drive straight up to (so nose to nose )Is3 Defender  they will all fall for it  (think they protecting there lower plate)

But you cant straight shoot them threw there uppper plate or roof or upperarmor becuase you so tall/high and angle  (that armor is offcourse   verry weak), 

And they cant shoot you (only the strong front)but not the turret due to angle) 

 

Try it next time you 1 vs against a Defender.

 


Edited by Robbie_T, 20 October 2020 - 05:22 AM.


BlackBloodBandit #11 Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:01 PM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 20 October 2020 - 02:15 AM, said:

its frontal armour remains one of the best at tier 8 , not as OP as ts5 , defender but is much much better than defender as has lower reload and better soft stats with gun, also 204 pen is enough if you learn the weak spots like I do, 245 gold pen is more than enough because remember IT DOESNT SEE TIER 10S

Really? TS-5 has clear weak-spots on lower plate and cupola. This tank has only a very small cupola, which really is the only frontal weak-spot it has, if you don't side-scrape and is hard to hit, as the profile of the tank is huge.

 

View Postsaxsan4, on 20 October 2020 - 02:15 AM, said:

if the armour is so bad as you say how come ive won 1v1 in games against tier 9 who were  55% win rate players?

This means nothing as long as we don't know what tanks you faced in those situations and on what specific maps. Even unicums fall against trash players in specific tanks if the tank they play isn't good enough to outplay a specific tank in a specific situation. That's nothing new. 

 



arthurwellsley #12 Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:22 PM

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Out of 48 tier VIII heavy tanks the Mutant is rated in position 10 (although the two tanks in the two highest positions do not have sufficient games in the sample to be reliable, and also the Defender/Object 252U duo seem to have glitched)

source = https://www.noobmeter.com/tankStats/eu

 

# Tank Nation Battles (recent) WR (recent) Player WR (recent) OP Rating OP Rating(Bad) OP Rating(Good) Battles WR(Overall)
1 J29 Nameless JP 0k 56% 53% 740 919 809 8k 52%
2 Chrysler K US 1k 53% 52% 651 680 676 18k 53%
3 IS-3A SU 30k 55% 53% 641 563 673 957k 54%
4 50TP pr. PL 17k 55% 53% 635 572 664 462k 54%
5 Renegade US 62k 56% 54% 622 515 660 1,073k 55%
6 703 II (122) SU 55k 55% 54% 618 550 646 1,023k 55%
7 VK 75.01 K DE 8k 53% 53% 612 562 654 148k 53%
8 112 CN 11k 53% 52% 609 484 650 542k 52%
9 Somua SM FR 27k 54% 53% 601 505 633 829k 54%
10 M6A2E1 US 6k 52% 53% 600 499 634 309k 52%
11 IS-6 SU 27k 53% 52% 600 516 643 2,941k 52%
12 E 75 TS DE 35k 53% 53% 598 539 628 541k 54%
13 FCM 50 t FR 5k 52% 53% 596 486 629 672k 53%
14 KV-5 SU 7k 52% 52% 596 476 637 1,672k 51%
15 EMIL 1951 SE 33k 54% 53% 596 543 629 733k 54%
16 AMX M4 49 FR 19k 51% 52% 594 503 642 606k 51%
17 Caernarvon GB 17k 53% 51% 594 506 658 390k 51%
18 WZ-111 CN 9k 52% 52% 593 558 608 1,201k 53%
19 Caernarvon AX GB 45k 53% 53% 589 506 620 1,131k 52%
20 Mauerbrecher DE 1k 49% 51% 588 466 658 50k 50%
21 Tiger II DE 20k 54% 52% 585 533 620 668k 49%
22 VK 168.01 P DE 15k 52% 52% 583 549 622 278k 51%
23 Löwe DE 73k 52% 52% 577 521 616 8,037k 51%
24 IS-6 B SU 19k 53% 53% 576 467 622 122k 52%
25 Alpine Tiger CN 1k 49% 51% 574 498 618 68k 50%
26 Chrysler GF US 35k 53% 53% 574 507 617 409k 52%
27 Emil I SE 15k 51% 51% 567 532 625 257k 51%
28 AMX 50 100 FR 12k 50% 51% 561 520 581 592k 51%
29 110 CN 3k 50% 50% 560 547 588 91k 49%
30 T34 US 22k 50% 51% 559 526 618 5,497k 50%
31 KV-4 Kresl. SU 2k 50% 54% 556 645 542 19k 52%
32 O-Ho JP 5k 49% 50% 555 519 584 184k 50%
33 AMX M4 49 L FR 29k 50% 51% 551 486 596 442k 51%
34 KV-4 SU 10k 51% 51% 551 532 612 170k 49%
35 IS-2-II SU 23k 50% 51% 551 513 596 246k 50%
36 T34 B US 5k 49% 52% 550 473 593 167k 49%
37 IS-5 SU 12k 51% 53% 548 489 569 141k 54%
38 T26E5 P US 29k 50% 52% 544 480 602 524k 51%
39 53TP PL 20k 50% 51% 541 468 599 187k 50%
40 VK 45.02 A DE 10k 49% 51% 515 468 562 71k 49%
41 AMX 65 t FR 5k 47% 50% 491 428 525 39k 46%
42 T26E5 US 11k 51% 53% 638 385k 52%
43 T32 US 15k 52% 51% 611 311k 51%
44 VK 100.01 P DE 21k 52% 51% 610 341k 52%
45 IS-M SU 9k 48% 50% 549 131k 49%
46 Defender SU 44k 54% 53% 649 2,222k 54%
47 Obj. 252U SU 16k 54% 53% 648 644k 55%
48 IS-3 SU 27k 51% 50%

Edited by arthurwellsley, 20 October 2020 - 02:27 PM.


snowlywhite #13 Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:36 PM

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and that proves what? according to such a chart, caern is on 17th and it's worse than fcm...

Miepie #14 Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:40 PM

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Weird list that rates the FCM50t higher than the Caernarvon and has the VK100.01P and IS-3 near / at the absolute bottom... :mellow:

24doom24 #15 Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:45 PM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 20 October 2020 - 12:34 AM, said:


look at my. stats in it, one of my best performing tier 8 heaved, more than defender 

one persons stats doesn't mean much. It's far from the best lmao. On paper it's worse than most heavies. 


Edited by 24doom24, 20 October 2020 - 02:54 PM.


Gwynbleidd11 #16 Posted 20 October 2020 - 03:26 PM

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I have got a rental and using vents, rammer, hardening.

 

It's quite good, pref. mm really helps as I see mostly tier 7,8. Just a good balanced tank with decent speed, armor and gun



saxsan4 #17 Posted 20 October 2020 - 05:53 PM

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View Post24doom24, on 20 October 2020 - 01:45 PM, said:

one persons stats doesn't mean much. It's far from the best lmao. On paper it's worse than most heavies. 


on paper stats are useless really



Gruff_ #18 Posted 20 October 2020 - 06:59 PM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 20 October 2020 - 01:34 AM, said:


look at my. stats in it, one of my best performing tier 8 heaved, more than defender 


Your stats in it are not related to overall server position for a tank



saxsan4 #19 Posted 20 October 2020 - 07:46 PM

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View PostGruff_, on 20 October 2020 - 05:59 PM, said:


Your stats in it are not related to overall server position for a tank


why aren't they?



Gruff_ #20 Posted 21 October 2020 - 02:45 AM

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View Postsaxsan4, on 20 October 2020 - 07:46 PM, said:


why aren't they?


Because you are 1 person who may be able to perform well in it compared to how you perform in other heavy tanks at the same tier, but those other tanks may well be "better", just not for you.  The overall server stats for a tank will give a clearer indication of what is strong or not as that's based on more data.  Winrate curves since 1/8/20 - 12/10/20 for a selection of heavies:

 

Mutant is the bottom red line


Edited by Gruff_, 21 October 2020 - 02:51 AM.





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