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[alfa13_]

I have been grinding out my type 64 and m4a1 ravioli in particular, and my win-rates have dropped from about 50-51% in these tanks to 44-46%. I don't know why I'm struggling to get wins so much in them, but I feel as though I'm not performing badly. Even my overall win-rate has dropped from 50 to 49% because of how consistently I am losing in these tanks. Could someone give me some advice on how to improve? Maybe we could play a game together and you could analyze what I'm doing wrong. Feel free to check out my stats- my IGN is alfa13_ on the EU server. According to WoTLabs, my recent WN8 is good, making me better than 82% of players in that sense, so why am I getting almost the worst possible win rates you can get. 

[sammygo]

The game is rigged, didn't you know that? Perhaps you missed your latest invoice for premium time, or you lapsed your latest discount coupons. It is not uncommon to observe a steep decline in winrates after such events.

[Private_Miros]

Upload the replays of 5-10 subsequent, non-cherry picked games (so even if you die in minute 1) to wotreplays.eu.

 

That might shed light on potential bad choices or bad moves, despite dealing ok damage in Type (sub-1000 damage on average in a tier 8 tank is simply too little though, that's not enough to break even on wins), the Type WR is slower than I would expect indeed.

 

sammygo, on 30 October 2020 - 10:17 AM, said:

The game is rigged, didn't you know that? Perhaps you missed your latest invoice for premium time, or you lapsed your latest discount coupons. It is not uncommon to observe a steep decline in winrates after such events.

 

Luckily beating the rigging is easily achieved by learning from your mistakes and improving to play.

 

Win rates in the short term fluctuate in a random MM. You'll see "steep" declines and climbs after any randomly picked point, including such events. If the win rate wouldn't fluctuate, the conclusion would be that WG rigged MM.

Edited by Private_Miros, 30 October 2020 - 11:19 AM.

[Olias_0f_Sunhillow]

sammygo, on 30 October 2020 - 10:17 AM, said:

The game is rigged, didn't you know that? Perhaps you missed your latest invoice for premium time, or you lapsed your latest discount coupons. It is not uncommon to observe a steep decline in winrates after such events.

 

Claus in the house...!

[NUKLEAR_SLUG]

As Miros said, post a handful of games as they come, don't cherry pick only good or bad ones, and we can have a look and give you some suggestions for things to try or do differently. 

 

sammygo, on 30 October 2020 - 11:17 AM, said:

The game is rigged, didn't you know that? Perhaps you missed your latest invoice for premium time, or you lapsed your latest discount coupons. It is not uncommon to observe a steep decline in winrates after such events.

 

Your village called, they want to know when you're likely to be returning. 

[BethHarmon]

I am afraid you are misinformed. Your recent WN8 is average or above average at best. You still have a lot of room for improvement. 

 

But back to your issue with your winrate recently. Winrate and WN8 does not always go together. Having a good WN8 does not mean one will certainly have a good WR. Generally, if your winrate falls between +1/-1 tier to what your WN8 is, I would classify that as acceptable.

 

A quick fix to your winrate if that's all you care about at the moment, just stop playing the tanks you have bad winrates in and play those you have good winrates in. So less Type 64, less M4A1. More Type T-34, and more T-28.

 

 

[_b_]

Also keep in mind that with lower numbers of games, even the smallest numbers of games going against you....will cause a big drop.. so keep at it and it should al even out and adjust to your level of play in the end

[mpf1959]

Terrible Win-rate even though I'm not performing terribly.

 

Perhaps it would be easier to modify you're performance to more closely conform to youre win rate? Thus, equilibrium would be restored! 

[Geno1isme]

Going through your stats, you're probably playing a bit too aggressive (high spotting values combined with low survival rate). Probably look out a bit more at avoiding taking damage or getting spotted in the first place, without camping at the redline. It's always harder to win a battle after getting killed.

But as others have said, replays would be a much better resource to give advice.

Edited by Geno1isme, 30 October 2020 - 01:17 PM.

[m1x_angelico]

alfa13_, on 30 October 2020 - 11:10 AM, said:

I have been grinding out my type 64 and m4a1 ravioli in particular, and my win-rates have dropped from about 50-51% in these tanks to 44-46%. I don't know why I'm struggling to get wins so much in them, but I feel as though I'm not performing badly. Even my overall win-rate has dropped from 50 to 49% because of how consistently I am losing in these tanks. Could someone give me some advice on how to improve? Maybe we could play a game together and you could analyze what I'm doing wrong. Feel free to check out my stats- my IGN is alfa13_ on the EU server. According to WoTLabs, my recent WN8 is good, making me better than 82% of players in that sense, so why am I getting almost the worst possible win rates you can get. 

 

You can't affect winrate directly. You are being placed in matches with random skilled people and against random skilled people. So, in principle, 30 people decide the outcome of the match.

 

However, due to MM setup, in ~40% of matches you will most likely not have effect on the outcome of the match (win or lose). So there is ~60% of matches where you could more or less significantly affect the outcome.

 

On type 64, as it is lower tier, you could have a nice advantage if you have a proper equipment, running food, crew directive, and having crew with 4-5 skills. Playing in platoon helps as well. If this is your first period playing a certain tank, you could find youtube videos of how other, good players, play the specific tank, or even pair up with someone (there is a adopt a tomato thread on Reddit - wot subbredit).

 

[Steeleye_Spam]

What it comes down to is that WN8 is much more in your control than WR in the short term. So in the short term you can have a stable WN8 through getting consistent damage, whilst having a run of poor teams, meaning your short term WR declines. It may well be nothing to do with how you are playing your tanks. Therefore when considering how well you do in individual tanks take both things into consideration. I used to decide whether to keep a tank purely on average XP over 100 battles (which is heavily influenced by your short term WR), now I also look at XTE, damage and WN8 and come to a more rounded conclusion. For example on my T30 I'm running a 1600+ average damage and 1400+ WN8, but my WR is an awful 45.45%. However, over 100 battles I don't take that poor WR to be a good indication of how I play in the tank as its influenced to a much greater extent by teams.

[aleksot]

I wonder who was so smart and told you 599 average in type 64 is considered to be "doing good in a tank"? 1000 is the start for doing good. With 959dmg recently i dont do good in it 50%wr

Edited by aleksot, 30 October 2020 - 11:32 PM.

[Robbie_T]

Why?

The m4 is not a carry game tank (for the average player)

Type 64 is a tank where you play a important roll (maybe the most important)

and i dont know if 1200 games is enough map experience to carry.

(the doing better than orther players is, not so long ago LT's where hot and every muppet bought a type 64)

Also what i see nowadays you can spot teh whole enemy team and nobody shooting them becuase everybody is so far back they out of radio range,

 

Me personally not i am not that good in a LT dont play them much because i really feel bad if i F up in a LT.

Gives the team a huge disadvantage losing there LT on most maps

 

 

Edited by Robbie_T, 02 November 2020 - 04:29 AM.

[CausticSoda]

If you are worried about your winrate then stop playing lights. Your top played tanks have higher skill levels that you are struggling with, so play others so you can gain some experience of the game. You have never played a heavy, try them, they are more forgiving. Grind the IS3 line.

[Discontinued]

i have terrible both of those things you talk about and its great 

 

As Dirty harry says

 

 

Don't even bother looking at stats it isn't worth it 

[Steeleye_Spam]

aleksot, on 30 October 2020 - 11:25 PM, said:

I wonder who was so smart and told you 599 average in type 64 is considered to be "doing good in a tank"? 1000 is the start for doing good. With 959dmg recently i dont do good in it 50%wr

err... i have an average damage of 567 and a WN8 of 1461, which suggests that you're wrong.

[Private_Miros]

aleksot, on 30 October 2020 - 10:25 PM, said:

I wonder who was so smart and told you 599 average in type 64 is considered to be "doing good in a tank"? 1000 is the start for doing good. With 959dmg recently i dont do good in it 50%wr

 

18 battles. So your win rate is quite irrelevant in that sample size.

 

600 damage on a tier 6 LT is fine to aim for for the average player. That coupled with decent spotting and over 25% survival rate would bring you solidly over 50-52% in time.

 

If you want to aim for 55% plus over time, then, yes, aim at 1000 avg and 35%+ survival rate.

[thetartanbaron]

As a fellow average player I think we're more at the mercy of the matchmaker than better players and I've experienced the matchmaker shitting on me for long stretches, often 100s of battles, even though my WN8 stays the same.Conversely I've had periods of great win rates which my WN8 didn't deserve. It all averages out over about 1000 battles and you get the win rate you deserve. Better players are less at the mercy of the matchmaker. You just have to try to get better.

 

I have what I thought were cursed tanks e.g. after about 100 battles my STRV 74 had a 43% win rate even though I had 1st marked it and was in the top 100 players for that vehicle. However I just kept playing it kept the WN8 the same and its win rate came back up to 49% before I got tired of it and moved the crew on. Your Type 64 might be your cursed tank. Alternatively light tanks are hard to play well and you may not be playing it correctly.

 

I'm just starting to play tier 8 after about 6000 battles and I notice a big jump in skill required to do well compared to tier 7 and frankly I suck with a 47% win rate compared to almost 52% at tier 7 so I'm trying to get better at lower tiers before going back to playing tier 8 regularly. Unless you are a re-roll I think 1200 battles is way too low to be playing tier 8 and expecting good results and I'd suggest you should stay below tier 8 for a while to build your skills up. Maybe play your T-34, T-34-85M and T20 more. 

 

Edit: Just another thought. After only 1200 battles your crews probably have very few skills which could be a problem especially in light tanks

 

Edited by thetartanbaron, 02 November 2020 - 05:17 PM.

[SastusBulbas]

No point these days, losses all day because quite simply the teams are effin idiots, whole team last game, well apart from two heavies who went right, most of team in G/K 1/2 sniping while I get pushed in my light going to spot, most had no shots, 3 heavies and a medium refuse to try and support or get a shot, they retreat. From a Cromwell B.

 

Stated at start where I would push, got there, spotted enemy as I got there, yet with so many behind me they reversed when they seen an enemy, had they pushed, great, but its just another rinse repeat teams of red all day that refuse to leave 1/4 of the map.

 

Would be nice if it evens out but it effin doesnt. And I frankly suck in the 178B and Setter light tanks I have started grinding, wasted three sets of 300% boosters for this bull MM luck. Add to that the appaling stupid ping system where Wargaming again try to remove even more of the teamplay element. Not that we have teams that play, simply yolo solo's and lonesome campers who have never considered having a line of sight onto enemy as a thing.

[Balc0ra]

alfa13_, on 30 October 2020 - 11:10 AM, said:

 Could someone give me some advice on how to improve? Maybe we could play a game together and you could analyze what I'm doing wrong. Feel free to check out my stats- my IGN is alfa13_ on the EU server. According to WoTLabs, my recent WN8 is good, making me better than 82% of players in that sense, so why am I getting almost the worst possible win rates you can get.

 

You're still "fresh" in terms of battles vs experience. Some improvement can't be taught. As in we all learned the game from our own failures vs having someone show it to us. 

 

WN8 is mostly damaged focused. Even a bad player sitting in base in his E100 getting 7000 damage done, 4000 after he lost 13 tanks on his team can still get good WN8. So don't focus on that alone. Just focus on what you do instead of stats, take notes, and learn from the failures. Figure out why you lost that game and if you could have done anything differently if it's a close game. As gone to spot there vs the other side. Or that you should have fallen back to spot for your support vs staying to fight etc where they can't help you there and then. Heck you can do that even on a win if you died early. 

 

I said close games, as some games, it's far fetched even at the start due to your team not leaving base etc. But even then the enemy could be doing the same or a worse mistake, so don't toss it away instantly. I still spot the flanks so that my campers have something to hit before they get lemming spotted. You can learn something even then. 

 

 

sammygo, on 30 October 2020 - 11:17 AM, said:

The game is rigged, didn't you know that? Perhaps you missed your latest invoice for premium time, or you lapsed your latest discount coupons. It is not uncommon to observe a steep decline in winrates after such events.

 

At times based on most of your replies. I'm still amazed you're still here. But can't say I've noticed a WR decline after such events. You ever thought WG just have it in for you alone? 

Edited by Balc0ra, 02 November 2020 - 08:49 PM.