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[HMS_Birmingham]

I see there are plenty of threads where players are complaining the 105 leFH18B2 is OP so my question is has this arty ever received a nurf? I realize how unfair it is for WG to ask real money for something and then nurf it but hey if they offer those a gold refund partial or otherwise then I feel it is acceptable to nurf premiums if they are OP.

 

They seem to have high rates of fire and frustratingly can lob shells over most obsticles with shocking accuracy and damage. In those odd instancies where you can get to the opposite end of the map to lay fire on them I have also known them to bounce AP shots and you can forget trying HE if your bottom tier. Low shell count and a lack of mobility is arty in general so a lot of positives and not many negatives IMHO.

 

Now I'm sure they are great fun for those who play them but at the tiers where many are still getting to grips shooting tanks right in front of them the idea of also dealing with these hidden enemies who constantly bombard them from a safe distance can mean they lose all focus and can end up backed into a corner with no clear direction on how to avoid both arty and the tanks around them. There is also the possibility players can't afford a repair kit sub tier 5 and a leafblower can easily perma track them with their rate of fire.

 

I'm lead to believe the Sexton I at tier 3 which is equally OP? I can't say I have come across many games against the Sexton I (not that they get the best maps for arty at tier 3 anyways) but around tier 5 it seems leafblowers are common place.

 

I have to say there do seem to be a few stand out premium tanks that for some reason over perform their tech tree counter parts. I'd say the Grille maybe being the best Teir 5 if you can land your shots but still nothing incomparable to the leafblower.

[NUKLEAR_SLUG]

I got a Sexton from somewhere, Christmas box I think. Having tried it I'm not sure I see what the fuss is about.

[HMS_Birmingham]

Fuss? Just asking did the leafblower ever get nurfed?? I see threads complaining about the LB being OP from as far back as 2016. I know from experience of being on the receiving end it seems far more capable than most arty. Not just at tier 5 in regards it's characteristics. Maybe the M44 is similar but does that seem to suffer from poor accuracy to balance it out..

Edited by HMS_Birmingham, 05 November 2020 - 11:17 AM.

[Miller1973]

I think it got a silent accuracy nerf a while back, its still OP but not as bad as it was. 

[Inappropriate_noob]

The fact i has no splash damage is a nerf enough, people love to label things OP, it isn't

[HMS_Birmingham]

My next question is does it make many credits and how does it fair for completing personal missions? I'm not a big fan of arty but they have to be played in some missions. I'm assuming if OP then those missions ?should? be completed with speed and it doesn't hurt to make extra credits while doing so. Sure would save a lot of tech tree grinding.

 

I have got the M44 but it is frustratingly inaccurate despite having an OK crew. It seems I can be hit by the LB for almost as much as I can hit enemy for in the M44 so could the LB be an alternative for doing the missions?

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Inappropriate_noob, on 05 November 2020 - 11:53 AM, said:

The fact i has no splash damage is a nerf enough, people love to label things OP, it isn't

 

But do any of them do significant splash damage at tier 5? And surely it matters not if you hit the target with a higher percentage than you miss?

[fwhaatpiraat]

The tank got indirectly nerfed by 1) power creep 2) extra hp for all tanks below tier 7. I'd say those are quite significant nerfs.

[Miepie]

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 11:56 AM, said:

 how does it fair for completing personal missions?  could the LB be an alternative for doing the missions?

A large portion of the missions require either stunning enemies or tracking them; for the first you need stun, for the second a gun with splash damage is generally more useful. So you'd always need a second arty for those missions (though you already have that).

[24doom24]

Two marked both M44 and Lefh. Lefh is OP. Permatracking with HE and if tanks start driving sideways to me I bring out the HEAT and start wrecking them. Though the gun can troll super hard and it gets frustrating fast.

 

As somebody who was #1 player for the Sexton 1 on EU it's tier for tier more OP than a lefh.

Much better mobility, fast reloading gun that can tear through tanks with HE since it pens easily, premium AP that cuts through other 'OP' tanks like the Pz-2J, and can reach 445m view range with binos and some skills, better camo and a fantastic horizontal gun traverse angles which means you rarely have to turn the tank to aim. All at tier 3.

 

Though the recent HP buffs means the sexton can't one shot anymore as often. 

Edited by 24doom24, 05 November 2020 - 12:37 PM.

[HMS_Birmingham]

fwhaatpiraat, on 05 November 2020 - 12:03 PM, said:

The tank got indirectly nerfed by 1) power creep 2) extra hp for all tanks below tier 7. I'd say those are quite significant nerfs.

 

As you say indirectly not directly effected. Power creep, extra HP, effected all tanks in those tiers not just the LB? Hence why players still start threads asking is it OP? 

Edited by HMS_Birmingham, 05 November 2020 - 12:47 PM.

[Miepie]

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

 Hence why players still start threads asking is it OP? 

Mostly because those threadstarters just hope to get the simple one-word reply they want to hear, rather than a nuanced discussion about the aspects of a vehicle? 

[Bordhaw]

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 10:56 AM, said:

My next question is does it make many credits and how does it fair for completing personal missions? I'm not a big fan of arty but they have to be played in some missions. I'm assuming if OP then those missions ?should? be completed with speed and it doesn't hurt to make extra credits while doing so. Sure would save a lot of tech tree grinding.

 

I have got the M44 but it is frustratingly inaccurate despite having an OK crew. It seems I can be hit by the LB for almost as much as I can hit enemy for in the M44 so could the LB be an alternative for doing the missions?

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But do any of them do significant splash damage at tier 5? And surely it matters not if you hit the target with a higher percentage than you miss?

You cannot complete missions in the Lefh because it doesnt have stun "damage".

Also I think this vehicle retained it's AP shells? I cannot remember. 

However, you can easily complete missions using a M44. 

[Captain_Kremen0]

Like the E25 people still say it's OP and some (usually the owners) say it isn't.

OP or not they are f**ing annoying and If I'm in a light I will prioritise killing the little beetles on general principle. 

[fwhaatpiraat]

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

As you say indirectly not directly effected. Power creep, extra HP, effected all tanks in those tiers not just the LB? Hence why players still start threads asking is it OP? 

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly. With 'indirectly' I meant that the stats of the LeFh didn't get touched. However, if everything at thise tiers get more hp. The indirect nerf is noticable in every battle.

[HMS_Birmingham]

fwhaatpiraat, on 05 November 2020 - 01:17 PM, said:

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly. With 'indirectly' I meant that the stats of the LeFh didn't get touched. However, if everything at thise tiers get more hp. The indirect nerf is noticable in every battle.

 

Oh I get you now. I wrongly assumed the Lefh also had it's ammo capacity and HP increase along with all the other tanks in the lower tiers.

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Bordhaw, on 05 November 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

You cannot complete missions in the Lefh because it doesnt have stun "damage".

Also I think this vehicle retained it's AP shells? I cannot remember. 

However, you can easily complete missions using a M44. 

 Depends what you consider easy. I have tried a full bounty load out on the M44, rammer, GLD & rotation mech. I have a 3 skill crew and even tried food and GLD directive which I hate using due to cost. I never get above 254 damage even when I hit soemthing. Odd thing is I have been hit in my firefly for 530+ by an M44. How I have no idea as I never hit much directly and never for that sort of damage.

Edited by HMS_Birmingham, 05 November 2020 - 01:27 PM.

[_LongRangeSniper_]

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

Oh I get you now. I wrongly assumed the Lefh also had it's ammo capacity and HP increase along with all the other tanks in the lower tiers.

 

Not sure if mentioned already but it's a premium so the scope for it to be touched is reduced by WG. But the meta around the vehicle can change, and indirectly reduce its influence.

[Balc0ra]

NUKLEAR_SLUG, on 05 November 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:

I got a Sexton from somewhere, Christmas box I think. Having tried it I'm not sure I see what the fuss is about.

 

Well, it can get to 400m view range with optics. It still has high AP as gold and as a secondary normal ammo, thus it's still not that bad as a derp gun on urban maps if needed. But it's ofc less effective now due to the HP buffs that removed the ability to one-shot some targets with AP. HE still has more pen than even the tier 8 UK arty. But with no splash, the change in mechanics there made those shells useless unless they hit directly. So that one is situationally strong vs OP. 

 

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 11:15 AM, said:

Fuss? Just asking did the leafblower ever get nurfed??

 

Nerfed? Never. Tho it has been affected by mechanic changes like the splash chance that made it more useless if it missed, and ofc the HP buff, so now he needs a high roll close to 25% to one-shot most open-top TD's vs hitting them. 

 

HMS_Birmingham, on 05 November 2020 - 11:15 AM, said:

I see threads complaining about the LB being OP from as far back as 2016. 

 

Well before the HP buff recently, it had a bigger impact ofc. Most got one-shotted by it often as he had 20 more HE pen vs even the M41. But it's the reload if there are two that's nasty. Especially if they focus as that's at least 1 hit every 4 seconds. So if your team has a Bishop and a stock Grille, and their team has two of those. You know what way it will go. It's why I want WG to at least put a limit on 1 leafblower per team.  

 

That and he still has pre-nerf view range and sits at 390 base. Heck, it's not that long ago since I had one on my team move up to spot for the TD's late game. He got 1000 assist at the end that way and survived. 

[HMS_Birmingham]

So they have suffered a "sort of nerf" and no stun means are useless for missions. Are they worth the money beyond seal clubbing ?  These things are around £20 so are they good credit / XP earners? can assume they are fun to play as far as arty go? Or on a fun side is the sexton I better ?

 

Edited by HMS_Birmingham, 05 November 2020 - 01:47 PM.

[Gixxer66]

fwhaatpiraat, on 05 November 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly. With 'indirectly' I meant that the stats of the LeFh didn't get touched. However, if everything at thise tiers get more hp. The indirect nerf is noticable in every battle.

 

Except that Equipment 2 and Bounty equipment has evened that out.

 

A shell every 8 seconds - better view range than most Tier 5 tanks, can still fire AP and HEAT. It's not at all balanced, along with a lot of lower tier arty. ( M44, Grille especially )

[Uh_Oh_]

Lefh, E25, Progetto all op :p 

 

I hate all 3 and will always prioritise them