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[pihip]

Stats of the tank as of 1.11 testing ---> https://tanks.gg/v11.../tank/gsor-1008

As you can see, it does not look all that impressive, even though it has excellent gun depression, a fully traversible turret and good camo, all stuff a tank destroyer would love.

Let's look at the ammo for a moment though.

 

Standard ammo - AP Mk7

 

Spoiler

Ammo type - AP

Damage - 320
Penetration - 226
Shell velocity - 1066 m/s

Price - 1200 credits per shell

 

As you can see, this is hardly what you would call good ammo. It's overpriced (30 credits less than the infamous 100mm shells used on T-54) and, for TD standards, penetration is abysmal.

Now, a look at the premium-special-gold ammo.

 

Premium ammo - APDS Kl/14

 

Spoiler

Ammo type - APCR

Damage - 320
Penetration - 321 <-----
Shell velocity - 1411 m/s

Price - 4800 credits per shell

 

 For x4 the shell price, we are getting +95mm penetration and +345 m/s shell velocity.

 

So now, the obvious question - why would anyone bother with base ammo on this tank, when gold ammo is so ridiculously better, and the tank being a premium lessens the post-battle credit bleeding?

[BR33K1_PAWAH]

Dinger seal of approval - granted.

[Strapps]

You've got to carry a few standard rounds for when you're top tier, then you use those to make the credits you spend when you're bottom tier. That's a type of balance, isn't it?

[TankkiPoju]

I dunno man, I play premum tanks to make money. I seriously hardly ever shoot premium ammo in them unless there are tier 10 enemies that really have to die, and the shot matters.

 

GSOR will be crapola anyway because of those hidden gun stats...0.29 moving,. 0.29 traverse. It's just terrible.

 

Isn't it great WG still in 2020 refuses to add those hidden stats in the game client? They even added a comparison tool, but that just doesn't show these numbers.

[Strapps]

TankkiPoju, on 06 December 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

Isn't it great WG still in 2020 refuses to add those hidden stats in the game client? They even added a comparison tool, but that just doesn't show these numbers.

 

If they did add them to the client I suspect they'd have to employ a full-time support team to answer tickets from people demanding changes to their favourite tanks. At least by relying on third-parties like tanks.gg, WG get a step of separation from those parameters. It might reflect badly on them when you give it more than a moment's thought, of course, but they're stuck in a damned if they do, damned if they don't position.

[Dexatroph]

TankkiPoju, on 06 December 2020 - 10:18 AM, said:

 

GSOR will be crapola anyway because of those hidden gun stats...0.29 moving,. 0.29 traverse. It's just terrible.

 

 

It's not just that, but also the bad mobility  and the long reload. But they have to balance out the potential of this clip with 4 rounds. This tank isnt good, but it will still be annoying to meet some bush wanker sitting for 11 minutes in a bush an unload its 4 321mm penetration rounds (for what he most likely doesnt need to aim at all) into your body.

Edited by Dexatroph, 06 December 2020 - 10:45 AM.

[lord_chipmonk]

Screw the hidden gun stats, it's a tier 8 TD with (and I kid you not) 320 alpha and 1500 DPM. It's garbage. No amount of gold spam will make it not suck atm.

 

Edit: NVM, I'm stupid. It has an autoloader. Ok, forgiven. 

Edited by lord_chipmonk, 06 December 2020 - 11:38 AM.

[pihip]

TankkiPoju, on 06 December 2020 - 10:18 AM, said:

GSOR will be crapola anyway because of those hidden gun stats...0.29 moving,. 0.29 traverse. It's just terrible.

It's a TD, having bad gun handling is normal.

And yeah, the point of premium tanks is to make money, but even if the GSOR is not one there's no shortage of others available.

Besides, WG wants us to spam as much premium ammo as possible so our credit reserves tank and they get more excuses to balance tanks around gold ammo (among other things).

[GalmTwo]

As a Dinger, I will use that gold ammo to its fullest potential!

[Galaxy_class]

Yeah they don't want you running around and blyating people in the face with this thing. As it's a TD you can't mount vet stabs so the only way you could get the gun handling down enough to do that is with aim unit in the bonus slot, bounty rotation and vents and it'll probably still feel like an ELC gun.

[Marco_Is_Legend2019]

Yeah, the standard shell is a bit overpriced but we also have the T32 AP shell. Same damage, 208mm penetration and slower velocity yet costs 1000 credits. As for the GSOR itself, I think it'll be a good TD but not a very good credit maker.

[snowlywhite]

almost all new premium "credit makers" are in this vein...

 

borat - ~30% more pen, 25% more shell velocity. On a low base pen and with bad accy, so you need the oomph.

lis - ~25% more pen, almost double shell velocity. On a totally a... standard shell velocity.

t42 - almost 50% more pen, almost double shell velocity. On a low base pen, so you need the oomph. On a totally a.. standard shell velocity.

274a - t9 td pen with gold

 

apparently some bean counter at wg thinks he's smart and we're dumb.

 

But yes, this trash takes it to a whole new dimension. 231 pen on t8 td. Go make credits with that. Nice meme =))) With a gun that doesn't even have dunno what God like disperssion. To say that, well, you snipe every pixel shot so pen doesn't matter that much.

 

to be frank, bought 274a exactly for standard shell. As I knew from the get go it's worse than lis and way less enjoyable to play. And it is way less enjoyable to play than lis. But well... at least makes some credits.

 

p.s. - I don't think I'm try harding when spamming gold with lis. I think I'm just a normal person who wants to have fun when playing a game. I know; shocker. Wtf would I put up with that a... shell velocity? Don't smash keyboards, save the environment

Edited by snowlywhite, 06 December 2020 - 01:15 PM.

[Balc0ra]

 

lord_chipmonk, on 06 December 2020 - 11:37 AM, said:

Edit: NVM, I'm stupid. It has an autoloader. Ok, forgiven. 

 

Even then it's nothing to write home about as far as TDs go. But ELC 90 with 1200 at the right spot once reloaded has farmed really well. So in the right situation with that much pen... it will farm like crazy. Others less so I suspect. As in a support role with that low DPM when those you support gets pushed, that 2nd burst might come too late. 

[Marco_Is_Legend2019]

Balc0ra, on 06 December 2020 - 01:14 PM, said:

Even then it's nothing to write home about as far as TDs go. But ELC 90 with 1200 at the right spot once reloaded has farmed really well. So in the right situation with that much pen... it will farm like crazy. Others less so I suspect. As in a support role with that low DPM when those you support gets pushed, that 2nd burst might come too late. 

 

 

[SovietBias]

Balc0ra, on 06 December 2020 - 12:14 PM, said:

 

Even then it's nothing to write home about as far as TDs go. But ELC 90 with 1200 at the right spot once reloaded has farmed really well. So in the right situation with that much pen... it will farm like crazy. Others less so I suspect. As in a support role with that low DPM when those you support gets pushed, that 2nd burst might come too late. 

 

Contrary to the ELC, in which players tend to overextend with and get killed easily and early, the TD tag means you will probably be fighting this one late in game, when it will be a pain to dig out as you may not be full HP and this thing has 321mm pen and a 4-shell clip.

 

We will see. It seems powerful, even if the gun handling is trollish.

[pihip]

Marco_Is_Legend2019, on 06 December 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

 

Sample size is too small

[Marco_Is_Legend2019]

pihip, on 06 December 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

Sample size is too small

 

LOL.

 

It was surprising really to see that many battles played during the test phase. In a very short span of time too. You could say that they tested the bejeebus out of it on the live server.

[Balc0ra]

Marco_Is_Legend2019, on 06 December 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm not going by that number yet. Most of those are CCs with a high base WR from before testing it early for reviews. It's why MOE grinding on it will be insane on day one for most. As even the 703 II had 6K for 95% on day one after "testing" hands. 

[Marco_Is_Legend2019]

Balc0ra, on 06 December 2020 - 02:00 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm not going by that number yet. Most of those are CCs with a high base WR from before testing it early for reviews. It's why MOE grinding on it will be insane on day one for most. As even the 703 II had 6K for 95% on day one after "testing" hands. 

 

 

[Strapps]

Marco_Is_Legend2019, on 06 December 2020 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

What you're saying is that the tank performs well when played against players who don't know where to shoot it on a server where credit expenditure is irrelevant. Pardon me if I don't climb on board the outrage bus just yet.