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Peasant_wot #1 Posted 06 December 2020 - 07:39 PM

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The quality of the model is just terrible. The turret roof behind the mantlet is modeled as 100mm plate at >70° slope making it obscenely strong. As fun as it is to bounce HEAT shells with 300+mm of pen with it, this is just sloppy job.

Mantlet itself is just a slab of uniform thickness of 100mm while it should be tapering down toward the edges, like this:

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I know this is a very old model but I think its about time to upgrade it to the current standards.

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FriendlyRussianBunny #2 Posted 06 December 2020 - 08:01 PM

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300+ mm of pen? at tier 6?

 

Scary stuff

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BR33K1_PAWAH #3 Posted 06 December 2020 - 08:17 PM

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Yeah, Vk 30.02m is absolutely broken. I've seen it withstand JGPZE100 premium shell - didn't even flinched...

 

View PostFriendlyRussianBunny, on 06 December 2020 - 10:01 PM, said:

Scary stuff

:ohmy:

Indeed.

When you see one - you better run.

 

 

Better buy it and have fun before wg nerfes it.



Dava_117 #4 Posted 06 December 2020 - 08:20 PM

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I would rather prefer WG looks at T95 cupolas that are modelled as irregular exagons than this plate no one would ever aim at...

Peasant_wot #5 Posted 06 December 2020 - 08:33 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 06 December 2020 - 08:20 PM, said:

I would rather prefer WG looks at T95 cupolas that are modelled as irregular exagons than this plate no one would ever aim at...

 

I bounce on average 20% shots from tanks two Tiers higher when playing hulldown in this vehicle, you think that's negligible? Regardless, my main concern is not whether this is balanced or not, but the need to upgrade the old tank models of questionable quality in the game.



Dava_117 #6 Posted 06 December 2020 - 08:58 PM

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View PostPeasant_wot, on 06 December 2020 - 08:33 PM, said:

 

I bounce on average 20% shots from tanks two Tiers higher when playing hulldown in this vehicle, you think that's negligible? Regardless, my main concern is not whether this is balanced or not, but the need to upgrade the old tank models of questionable quality in the game.

 

That is likely due to 100mm mantlet overlapping over 100mm frontal armour. The roof is such a small stripe it's really unlucky to get hit at all...

Still 20% shot bounced is not really a problem, especially for 2 tier higher tanks that doesn't really care for your 135 alpha gun...



DuncaN_101 #7 Posted 07 December 2020 - 12:54 PM

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What you are forgetting is that wot is an arcade game... Not a sim.

So WG doesn't care to much

Peasant_wot #8 Posted 07 December 2020 - 01:05 PM

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View PostDuncaN_101, on 07 December 2020 - 12:54 PM, said:

What you are forgetting is that wot is an arcade game... Not a sim.

So WG doesn't care to much

 

"iTs aN aRcAdE gAmE...", people need to stop using this excuse to justify WG's laziness. I am very well aware of how the game works, but since this vehicle is supposed to be a 3D replica of the real tank, but is lacking in some regards, I would say this is a fail on WG part not some "hidden feature" that deserves to be praised.



Gixxer66 #9 Posted 07 December 2020 - 01:23 PM

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Hmm odd you would pick a small anomaly in a Tier 6 tank, but no mention any one of a number of pure fantasy tanks in game, where no doubt WG will have taken license to do whatever it likes with them.

Peasant_wot #10 Posted 07 December 2020 - 01:56 PM

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View PostGixxer66, on 07 December 2020 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hmm odd you would pick a small anomaly in a Tier 6 tank, but no mention any one of a number of pure fantasy tanks in game, where no doubt WG will have taken license to do whatever it likes with them.

 

That's exactly why. Fantasy tanks are their own thing, I don't mind then putting some Bobject 12345 in the game with 500mm of armour on the turret front and -20° gun depression, but if they are implying that a given vehicle is supposed to represent a real tank they better not put a 100mm plate in place of 16mm turret roof.



DuncaN_101 #11 Posted 07 December 2020 - 02:02 PM

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View PostPeasant_wot, on 07 December 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

 

"iTs aN aRcAdE gAmE...", people need to stop using this excuse to justify WG's laziness. I am very well aware of how the game works, but since this vehicle is supposed to be a 3D replica of the real tank, but is lacking in some regards, I would say this is a fail on WG part not some "hidden feature" that deserves to be praised.

Not justifying anything... Just saying why WG don't give a beep. 







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