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 Strongback, on 24 January 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

1) You don't have any space for HE rounds since ammo capacity is already very limited.
2) You could just press 'C'.

The autoloader is the blessing and the curse of French tanks - they're devstating in a short engaugement where thier burst of high damage is devestating but they have no staying power for the same reason. French tanks can't hold a position and they cant really deal with multiple targets alone. Situations often arise where I'll rush a frenchie thats had his six when I would have held back if it were anything else.

 Strongback, on 24 January 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Nah, that hasn't been true since they nerfed accuracy and nerfed every other aspect of arties too. It was true way back in the good old days of artillery, when tier 6 was top tier, but that's a long time ago.

 Strongback, on 24 January 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

So you can't just press C like every other magazine cannon?

 Convi, on 11 January 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

all of them compared to lorraine

Yet another exemple of people not learning how to adapt to new things.
It takes 50 seconds to reload the damn thing, and HE rounds will penetrate the side and rear armor. So here's what you do: take two people, and rush the Lorraine. Simple as that. It does not have the necessary shells to kill both of you, hell, if it's unlucky, it won't have enough shells to kill one of you, since the gun loves to do criticals.
Now, some people will say: but 2v1, any tank can go down! Yes, then why not do that? I see so many people going at me alone while in an autoloader tank, then wonder why they died.  
Newflash, I do burst damage, and you're the only thing around, you're going to take every single shell.
As for mobility? Track it. Simple as that. An immobile French tank is a dead tank. While other tanks have at least some armor they can rely on to bounce off shots from smaller tanks, the Lorraine has none. Once tracked, every allied tank in the surrounding is a deadly threat to it.
In an other thread, some guy argued he shouldn't have to track a Lorraine with a 13 second reload time. Well, he should, because while the Lorraine could be taking over 600 damage from allies, and that's not even counting arty that basically one shoots it, he would rather bethe only one firing at it and doing less than 500 damage.

The only reason they have good stats is that WoT players don't understand team play. They would rather take the least amount of damage as possible and themselves doing a bit of damage, rather than potentially dying and letting their team take the victory.
If I had a euro for every time an autoloader tank held up 4 enemies alone becaue none of them wanted to go first, I'd be rich.

stop teaching them to kill you frog  

 saplala, on 24 January 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

But if I don't, they'll unnecessarily nerf French tank because people still don't understand you  don't go 1v1 against one of them
Look at what happenned to US tanks a bit after release last year, they nerfed gun depression because US tanks had too good stats. On the plus side, they realised they screwed up and reverted the nerf. But you get my point.
Angry whiners ruin any semblance of game balance and diversity.

Here's the thing about french tanks that you should remember.
They kinda suck at peek-a-boo

Frankly, everybody with an autoloader is reluctant to go into cover until he has fired all his shots.
That usually is long enough time to kill him from long range.

Do remember that in random fights, everybody can damage french tanks (excepting the low tier french ones)
Now, you have plenty of low tier tanks in random fights usually that can't do diddely to any other tanks.
Who do you think they will be aiming for?
French tanks are generally high priority target for heavies as well, since I for one don't want to let them leave unscathed when I'm driving my KT.

I'd say that for random matches they're balanced. They need some compensation for the fact that every tank in the matchup can damage them.
Clan Wars is however a different thing altogether since penetration is non-issue. Can't say much about that, as I don't really have a tier 10 tank.

 Convi, on 11 January 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

Good question.

Like said before; with Lorraine u r not to go first and occupy strategic positions because u get usually burnt quickly... with harder opponents, being alone is also a death sentence. With no armour and truck- sized trunk u will draw fire for sure. These are definitely a painful weaknesses for a medium and already with these mentioned it hardly can be too good.

However - I have found that already with better 90mm it can be a great tactical balance maintainer/ changer. First I choose my flank, support the push - if all seems fine there I make a redeployment while loading. With Lorraine's speed u can even transfer to other flank in a flip-side. Same features also make it a great interceptor of scouting bastards who got through In many cases u end up in place u are more needed and with a full clip!

Lorraine is essentially "A firepower on tracks which can be swiftly re-deployed"; just have to learn more observe and foresee the tac- situation (especially me ). Just dont push and end up in brawls or trench warfare if not faced by much less numbers of killable enemies, which can be killed with a quick flank and drum while ur mates watch ur back.

Waiting to get to the 100mm so i can give my comparison about cannons... There is something so "easyeightish" in Lorraine so i cant help liking it.

I am afraid the nerfbat is coming soon due to too many people not learning how to deal with high tier French tanks. Apparently it's winning stats are too high - been here before, let's hope WG have learned from the US experience...

keep tanking

 Pere_Ubu_Roi, on 01 February 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Those stats are highly influenced by the fact that ppl didn't get used to them yet and are still learning how to counter them, which isn't hard. Besides, let's face it, some players are just too lazy to adapt to the new foe, too used to the comfortable routine of their playstyle and suddenly they are no longer Kings of the Field, so they whine. In addition, there is still psychological effect (OMG, OP french tank, he's gonna shoot me 10 times with his revolver gun!) even increased by all the "French are OP" threads and posts on the forum.

It's too early to make decisions based on WR stats.

BTW, I can only imagine how ppl would react for all the existing TDs if they were introduced now with their powerful guns and solid frontal armor. I bet their win ratio would be great (on the first weeks) and the forums would be drown in the mass hysteria.

french tanks are a bit like artillery, they do lots of damage very quickly and then take ages to reload, except that you can shoot back at them.

Its all very well saying they can hide while they reload but that does not work very often, when it does they rule, but often you die after unloading one or maybe two clips worth of ammo.

What the arrival of the french autoloaders have done is punish the bad players who get caught alone with no support, the better players who work as a team don't have the same issues with them.

 Silu_0, on 01 February 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

most of the time when new stuff gets introduced its waaaaaaay to strong

T-54 > OP as hell
object 704 > OP as hell
T95 > too strong (its awefull to play, thanks to its speed, yet is awefull to fight against, due too lack of teamplay + many front to front combat situations)
tier 5 scouts > 2 powerfull, VK2801 got nerfed hard alrdy, and T-50-2 has awefull module damage now (i think) thanks to new spaced armor stuff, not sure
E-series > too powerfull, its not such big problem coz IS4 is also OP, and IS7 got buffed, without the IS4/7 the E75 and E100would be OP
T-59 > OP, coz the MM it got was ridiculous, after adjusting MM its fine (more or less)

and so on and on, new KV4 and other USSR heavys will be OP 2, and the new US TD`s will also be 2 powerfull

i somehow expect a nerf for the french tanks, which is fine, coz if the french tank can hiden behind some teammates its just ridiculous good +  many times those french guys just rush forward, empty there clip at some guy, and die, they ruin the game of another player, and they get almost no gain them self for it, its just lame....

 Silu_0, on 01 February 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

But people are learning fast, I think. Last night, I was in a shootout with a Panther, at about 100 meters, and ran out of ammo. So I backed up asap and screamed for help, while counting the 37sec-reload. The Panther saw me backing away for no aparent reason (I had him cornered), and must have figured I was empty, so he charged me and chased me all the way back, while pouring shots into me, and ramming my front. 3 hits and 2 rammings latter I was dead...  

 GehakteMolen, on 01 February 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

It's part of WG's financial model:

They introduce new tanks which are conveniently overpowered => people get them with free XP which you need gold for => tanks get nerf => rince and repeat.

When i first saw a Lorraine 40t i was like "SH*T"

When i first fired my 122mm from KV-3, i was like "Even T-34 is harder to kill"

I have hard time to kill all other Tier 8 meds, exept this one. No armor. Do i kind off dissagree

So, back and kill more frensh steel buckets  

The battle is entirely decided by how full the lorraine magaizine is. If the Lorraine has a full mag, then it'll probably win. Excluding bounces & misses.

 GehakteMolen, on 01 February 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

You mean Beta T-54, right?

 trispect, on 04 February 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

He said 'when it was introduced', it was introduced in the beta. So logic dictates that he means the beta T-54. And he is right, the beta T-54 had the frontal armour of a heavy (although it still bounced less than the Type 59 front today).