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Wintermute_1 #1 Posted 27 January 2021 - 01:27 PM

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Played a few games in the Progetto 54 and it's basically one of those Heavies you have to play as a medium with decent mobility and poor armour. TBH I can't get along with these types of tanks ie. tanks that are classified as one type but you have to play as something else. If I want to play a medium I'd pick a medium tank to play. It always feels like you're putting your heavy tank team mates at a disadvantage when you wander off to the other side of the map to play with the meds. Probably not the line for me.

 

How does everyone else find these tanks? which one of the 4 is best tier for tier? 



_Signal_ #2 Posted 27 January 2021 - 01:32 PM

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Well just because you say something is a duck doesn't mean it's a duck, As a "heavy" they are pretty poor, played as a "medium" they aren't great.. I suppose they need something to buff in 6 months time. 195 armor on the top turret at tier 9 is laughable...

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View Post_Signal_, on 27 January 2021 - 01:32 PM, said:

Well just because you say something is a duck doesn't mean it's a duck, As a "heavy" they are pretty poor, played as a "medium" they aren't great.. I suppose they need something to buff in 6 months time. 195 armor on the top turret at tier 9 is laughable...

 

The Progetto 54 top turret reduces the front armour by 20! stuck with the stock turret and screw the 2 degrees of traverse and 10m extra view range. Although, was hull down on Fjords and every shot went through from tier 8 heavies so if the armour is all round useless might as well go the top turret and extra view range.



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View PostWintermute_1, on 27 January 2021 - 01:45 PM, said:

 

The Progetto 54 top turret reduces the front armour by 20! stuck with the stock turret and screw the 2 degrees of traverse and 10m extra view range.

 

Better angling on the Prog 54 top turret makes the effective thickness better over most of the turret, even though the raw thickness is worse. 



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 27 January 2021 - 12:48 PM, said:

 

Better angling on the Prog 54 top turret makes the effective thickness better over most of the turret, even though the raw thickness is worse. 

Well as a heavy it has nearly no armor whatsoever, literally pretty much everything at tier 8 or above will pen you.



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View Post_Signal_, on 27 January 2021 - 01:56 PM, said:

Well as a heavy it has nearly no armor whatsoever, literally pretty much everything at tier 8 or above will pen you.

 

Oh, I wasn't trying to claim great armour on it, just that going by the raw numbers on the turrets for the tier 8 can be deceptive (as is the case with some other tanks too). 



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 27 January 2021 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

Oh, I wasn't trying to claim great armour on it, just that going by the raw numbers on the turrets for the tier 8 can be deceptive (as is the case with some other tanks too). 

It reminds me of an autoloading lansen c. (tier 8 anyway)


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View Post_Signal_, on 27 January 2021 - 02:00 PM, said:

It reminds me of an autoloading lansen c. (tier 8 anyway)

 

Hmmm. Not played it yet but that sounds promising...



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 27 January 2021 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

Hmmm. Not played it yet but that sounds promising...

it isn't, you can't play it in it's role which is a heavy, if anything it resembles more a lightly armored medium tank. Going to be a FCM 50T thing all over again, basically as you are a heavy the other side will get a heavy  but you're not a heavy so on city maps there will be an imbalance. Then again i've only played a few games in it so far so I might change my mind.



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View Post_Signal_, on 27 January 2021 - 02:05 PM, said:

it isn't, you can't play it in it's role which is a heavy, if anything it resembles more a lightly armored medium tank. Going to be a FCM 50T thing all over again, basically as you are a heavy the other side will get a heavy  but you're not a heavy so on city maps there will be an imbalance. Then again i've only played a few games in it so far so I might change my mind.

 

This was one of the reasons I never wanted MM to balance the tank types on each team...

 

I guess play it like a medium and hope one of your mediums/TDs is able to take the "heavy" slot? 



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 27 January 2021 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

Better angling on the Prog 54 top turret makes the effective thickness better over most of the turret, even though the raw thickness is worse. 

 

Ok I'll try it when I've ground the XP. Just had a 4k+ damage game so it's trying to win me over.



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Awesome. :)

 

Not on my immediate list of lines to go down (I've started too many as it is) but I'll get around to them at some point. 

 

What _Signal_ said did make me curious how this line will perform compared with some more conventional heavies. 



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I just compared the tier 7 to the Tiger P and instantly did skip it without playing it. Less DPM on the same alpha and 1mm less pen. Same top speed but on more power to weight. If I hated the Tiger P due to the DPM, I'm not gonna love that either. 

 

Tier 8 so far has "meh" armor on a ridgeline vs equal tiers with normal ammo with the top turret. Hull is ofc paper even when using the side. Gun handling is not bad tho, even when snapping. But it seems to be in an odd place between roles of sorts. 

 

View PostWintermute_1, on 27 January 2021 - 01:45 PM, said:

 

The Progetto 54 top turret reduces the front armour by 20! stuck with the stock turret and screw the 2 degrees of traverse and 10m extra view range. Although, was hull down on Fjords and every shot went through from tier 8 heavies so if the armour is all round useless might as well go the top turret and extra view range.

 

I did notice that, nor does it affect DPM. But how much more effective is it actually? As it's a curved mantle vs a spilt angled one. And none of the armor sites have the values up yet. 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 27 January 2021 - 02:13 PM, said:

I did notice that, nor does it affect DPM. But how much more effective is it actually? As it's a curved mantle vs a spilt angled one. And none of the armor sites have the values up yet. 

 

Tanks.gg has the patch 11.1 test server data, so unless it was changed since then, you can check it out there. 



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The gun reloading sound effect is starting to remind me of playing Donkey Kong on a 80s handheld game.

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View PostWintermute_1, on 27 January 2021 - 02:19 PM, said:

The gun reloading sound effect is starting to remind me of playing Donkey Kong on a 80s handheld game.


:teethhappy:

 

Showing your age a bit there! :P



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I used free and fragments to go straight to Progetto 66 after reading up on pre-views.

Had to create a brand new crew - used a commander with BIA and sixth sense from a campaign as well as 3 new crew members I used 4 crew books on to get up to 96% on the first skill.

 

To begin with I unlocked top turret and gun with free exp but immediately ran into problems.

This tank is SLOW and sluggish without top engine and tracks.

So I put a turbo on it but still didn't help, just couldn't take the pain and spent gold to unlock the top engine and tracks.

 

Now the tank became better and I use vents, turbo and vertical stabilized on it for equipment.
The tank now moves like a heavy medium - with food it's actually acceptable.

When I get BIA it should get even better.

I would compare it with Object 430 just slower and not so bouncy :teethhappy:

 

The auto-reloader gives it a high burst potential but I'm not confident in its ability to pen well armored tanks  (242 pen for a TX gun...and 303 using heat) and it's a dilemma whether to load regular AP or HEAT - cause it will take a LONG time to reload the clip. I can where WG is getting paid here...

I've played 18 games, have a 56% win rate but many miserable games as I've learned the hard way that this tank has little survivability on its own. 

 

Heavy supporter or lead for mediums I'd say - only 417m view range without binocs, but that's ok - it's not a sniper.

I've not caught fire yet, but crew members die like flies and I would prefer to use a large first aid kit since but it's already expensive to operate with food. 

 

I think I will enjoy it but not going for the Rino anytime soon - way too far between reloads for comfort.

If the Progetto 66 was to be buffed I'd like to see less time between shots than 3.5 seconds. The Bourrasque at T8 got only 2 seconds between its two shots.

At 400 damage per shot you need to decide when to use the full burst wisely, and you will need all the speed and maneouverability you can to reposition.

 

The Progetto 66 fully upgraded is good (situational I'd say) but rewards mistakes quickly and requires some skill to handle.

Maybe I've changed my mind when I've played another 100 battles with it, we'll see!

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 27 January 2021 - 02:21 PM, said:


:teethhappy:

 

Showing your age a bit there! :P

 

Old enough to remember the 80s, young enough to still be playing tank games on lunch break. ;)



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View PostWintermute_1, on 27 January 2021 - 02:27 PM, said:

 

Old enough to remember the 80s, young enough to still be playing tank games on lunch break. ;)

 

So anywhere between late 30s and somewhere in your 90s then? ;)



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My prediction is that this line of HTs will die off quickly...




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