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mr3awsome #1 Posted 12 January 2012 - 06:23 PM

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i guess several 2pdr the last with Littlejohn adaptor
and 3 pdr and maybe 6pdr at the tier 4/5 ones

bojan #2 Posted 22 January 2012 - 03:22 PM

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12.7mm Vickers (Mk.VIb light)
15mm BESA (Mk.VIc light)
20mm Hispano (proposal for Mk.VI light)
French 25mm (proposal for Mk.VI light)
37mm Bofors (proposal for export tanks)
40mm/2Pdr in two versions standard and Little John
47mm/3pdr (47mm Vickers Medium II
57mm/6pdr, early Mk.3 L/43
57mm/6pdr, later Mk.5 L/50
60mm/8pdr (experimental in 1942)
70mm/12pdr (experimental in 1942)
75mm OQF (firing US ammo - Cromwell, Churchill)
75mm HV (later evolved to 77mm)
77mm OQF (Comet)
76mm/3" CSH (Crusader CS, Matilda CS and Valentine CS)
76mm/3" 20cwt (Churchill SPG)
76mm/17pdr
83.4mm/20pdr
87.6mm/25pdr (Sentinel AC2 and AC3)
94mm/15pdr CS (early CS cruisers)
94mm/32pdr (Tortoise)
94mm CSH (Cromwell CS and Churchill CS)
94mm/3.7" AA Mk.II (proposal)
105mm L7
120mm L1 (Conqueror)
183mm (FV215)
Probably more.

LimaBravo #3 Posted 22 January 2012 - 04:28 PM

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View Postbojan, on 22 January 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

12.7mm Vickers (Mk.VIb light)
15mm BESA (Mk.VIc light)
20mm Hispano (proposal for Mk.VI light)
French 25mm (proposal for Mk.VI light)
37mm Bofors (proposal for export tanks)
40mm/2Pdr in two versions standard and Little John
47mm/3pdr (47mm Vickers Medium II
57mm/6pdr, early Mk.3 L/43
57mm/6pdr, later Mk.5 L/50
60mm/8pdr (experimental in 1942)
70mm/12pdr (experimental in 1942)
75mm OQF (firing US ammo - Cromwell, Churchill)
75mm HV (later evolved to 77mm)
77mm OQF (Comet)
76mm/3" CSH (Crusader CS, Matilda CS and Valentine CS)
76mm/3" 20cwt (Churchill SPG)
76mm/17pdr
83.4mm/20pdr
87.6mm/25pdr (Sentinel AC2 and AC3)
94mm/15pdr CS (early CS cruisers)
94mm/32pdr (Tortoise)
94mm CSH (Cromwell CS and Churchill CS)
94mm/3.7" AA Mk.II (proposal)
105mm L7
120mm L1 (Conqueror)
183mm (FV215)
Probably more.

Ordnance QF 95-mm Tank Howitzer (Churchill, Cromwell, Centaur)

AmazingChickens #4 Posted 22 January 2012 - 04:41 PM

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i wonder how much people will complain  when the 17pdr gets gimped with 135-145 penetration like the 75mmL70

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View PostLimaBravo, on 22 January 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Ordnance QF 95-mm Tank Howitzer (Churchill, Cromwell, Centaur)
Damn, I mistypes it as 94mm...

mr3awsome #6 Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:50 PM

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View PostAmazingChickens, on 22 January 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

i wonder how much people will complain  when the 17pdr gets gimped with 135-145 penetration like the 75mmL70
if they do
ceiling cat will not approve

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Exocet6951 #7 Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:22 PM

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Well, they will. Hard.
It's strength was superior ammunition, the equivalent of gold ammo ingame. Normal AP will probably have decent penetration, but far from the legendary status it has.
Prepare to be disappointed! On the other hand, if they put in the 183mm.....*drool*

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View PostExocet6951, on 23 January 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

...On the other hand, if they put in the 183mm.....*drool*
183mm armed FV215 is in pre-alpha tree as t9 TD.

AmazingChickens #9 Posted 24 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

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View PostExocet6951, on 23 January 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Well, they will. Hard.
It's strength was superior ammunition, the equivalent of gold ammo ingame. Normal AP will probably have decent penetration, but far from the legendary status it has.
Prepare to be disappointed! On the other hand, if they put in the 183mm.....*drool*
thats what i meant, the L70 was the same,with its "gold" ammo it would acheive around 190mm penetration and with the 75 famous as the panthers (jpz4s too but they arn't as famous)main gun, and because the panthers tended to be in elite SS units it was thus fitted regularly with special ammo meaning it was famous for things it could only acheive with better amunition.

back to topic: what im looking forward to is speeding around with the 95mm mini trollgun on a low tier cruiser tank :Smile-playing:

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View PostAmazingChickens, on 24 January 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

...and because the panthers tended to be in elite SS units it was thus fitted regularly with special ammo...
No German tank after late 1943. had any APCR, only HE/AP/HEAT. due the tungsten shortage all APCR was recalled from units are used for machine tools. Only 5cm PaK 38 L/60 kept some (5% of ammo per gun issued) as they were useless w/o it.
Regarding APCR, here is availability and run-out day:
3.7cm PaK/kwk - June 1940 - late 1943. 10% of ammo load.
5cm kwk38 L/42 - early 1941, late 1943 (tanks with this gun probably ran out before ammo). 10% of ammo load.
5cm PaK38 and kwk39 L/60 - with gun in 1941 for pak, January 1941. for kwk. Small stock still available in April 1945. 12% of ammo load, less later.
7.5cm pak40 and kwk40 - with gun in early 1942. All recalled in November 1943. 5% of ammo load.
7.5cm kwk43 L/70 - available at Kursk, recalled October 1943. 3% of ammo load.
8.8cm kwk36 L/56 - available in yearly 1943, recalled October 1943. 5% of ammo load.
8.8cm PaK43 and kwk43 L/71 - only 60 rounds ever issued to single unit (Nashorn TDs during Kursk).
12.8cm PaK - never issued or mass produced.
Allies were not much better with exception of Soviets.

US:
only ~30000 of 3" and 76mm APCR produced during war. TD units were issued 2 per vehicle.
1000 90mm HVAP was produced also. no other gun had it. Operation Zebra Pershings had 8-10 rounds per vehicle.
UK:
6pdr, ~150000 produced. 10% of ammo load for ATGs, 5% for tanks.
17pdr - ~50000 produced. 8% of ammo load for ATGs, 5% for tanks.
77mm - unknown, but small amount considering it entered service late in war.

USSR:
4 million of 45mm - Since early 1942 45mm AT guns had 4 rounds available per gun. Since early 1943 it was increased to 8-10 rounds. Light tanks (T-70) were supposed to have 10 per tank if tank combat was expected, but real supply was 4-5 rounds.
1.9 million of 76mm - October 1942, but only available in field since April 1943. 4 rounds per tank and 8 per ATG/SPG if tank attack was expected. Since early 1944. those were issued always.
~80000 of 85mm - 5 rounds per tank, 8 per SPG since February 1944.
small amount (1500 IIRC) 37mm - used only with 37mm m.1944 airborne ATG.
57mm - ~250000, 8 rounds per ATG standard since summer 1943.

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View PostAmazingChickens, on 22 January 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

i wonder how much people will complain  when the 17pdr gets gimped with 135-145 penetration like the 75mmL70
That could be 77mm HV, its shorter 17pdr, so less pen

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60mm/8pdr (experimental in 1942)
70mm/12pdr (experimental in 1942)
never heard about them, but they would nice fit in the hole between 6pdr (110 pen) & 77mm HV (around 140 pen)
candidates - Churchill mk IV, BP (stock), Comet (stock), cromwell

Hunterwolf #12 Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:43 PM

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How about a molins gun? 6pdr with a rate of fire similar to french light tanks, though perhaps with quicker reload between each shot (maybe 4 rounds then reload?), then a slightly longer reload for the next clip




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