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AMX 12 OVERPOWERED?


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Overpowered?

  1. yes (37 votes [8.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.64%

  2. no (391 votes [91.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.36%

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Dundonian #1 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:14 PM

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Im just asking this question since im coming across these tanks more and more and its probably because they are overpowered they are fast and a 75mm gun and apparently even 10.5 guns can bounce off of these tanks at point blank range off side armour ........plus today I shot the weak spot underside for 0 crit, and i manual aim not auto. :blink:

AMX 12
Hull 50.20.15
Turret 40.20.20

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Gun 10,5 cm KwK 46 L/68
Average Penetration 225/285/60

Stats above mentioned really you shouldnt bounce with that gun....

Can anyone explain this or should I go grind one since i hear they are good credit makers aswell maybe these are the new type 59's?

MaGinty #2 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:18 PM

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Are you taking the piss? Ive finally got rid of that hunk of crap after 51 soul destroying battles with tier 9 tanks. I bounced 1 shell in all of those battles. Its got a crap engine, no armour, no health, crap acceleration and handling. The only bonus with that tub of shite is that you can unload 6 shells into someone if they arent paying attention.

Oh....and for the record. A critical hit isnt a bounce.

Avernus #3 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:20 PM

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It's not the AMX, it's slope or famous "0 dmg critical shot working as intended and stop complaining".

It's quite specific tank, funny to play but certainly not OP. And if you want french credit maker - aim for tier 6 ;).

Photeus #4 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:28 PM

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Oh mercy.  There is nothing OP about this tank.  While I think it did fine considering matchmaker craps on it, it has some disadvantages.

Armor made of wet noodles.

If it's hit you lose your engine.

If you lose your engine or your tracks, you die (and not die in 20 minutes, taking huge hits over and over, you die INSTANTLY)

I'm sorry you bounced the 105, but every shell in the game will bounce if the angle is extreme enough.  I've bounced a shell from the S-70 off a Priest before.  I raged, but then I fired again and killed it.  Bounce happens.

madmatone #5 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:37 PM

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View PostMaGinty, on 12 January 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Are you taking the piss? Ive finally got rid of that hunk of crap after 51 soul destroying battles with tier 9 tanks. I bounced 1 shell in all of those battles. Its got a crap engine, no armour, no health, crap acceleration and handling.

Ar.... I thought the pain is over after soap box aka AMX40.
That´s why i refused to use free XP on the grind, I didn´t know ift it´s getting better with the auto loader thingie.
AMX12 do seem to handle well, watching them widdling over the fields - I take it that it´s not the case?
Hmm...

Locutus_von_Borg #6 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:37 PM

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yeah i just bounced on a priest to with bl-10....u cant imagine how i looked like. but yes such happens. and i have the amx12 t as well. its quiet a good scout and capable of doing some damage...but u have to aim very well cause the 108 pen arent that much...so the tank isnt op at all.

corrado_comrade #7 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:41 PM

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is really definately not an OP tank... but the ability to hide and spot effectively, excel as a scout interceptor and arty killer, destroy any tier8 medium with a full revolver load, makes it a fun tank. and it's the second best winratio tank i have with a roughly 65% if i'm not wrong.

klesk #8 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:48 PM

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I managed to bounce JTiger's long 12.8cm shell of A-20.

Any shell landing under 8 degres = bounce.

edeheusch #9 Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:48 PM

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Why the negative votes for the post of the OP? He asked a question with a poll and did not even answered "yes" to his question (currently they are 0 "yes").

To answer to the OP, no the AMX 12t is definitively not OP, I only drove it on the test server but it is probably even a little bit underpowered. To my point of view it would deserve a little buff of its gun elevation (and possibly also depression) or of its penetration (108 mm isn't so much for a tier 5 tank that is not a real scout).

vlajko #10 Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:03 AM

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You must be joking right? Only things that tank has going for it is some speed and relatively decent firepower, although with crap pen values that require exclusively flanking and rear approach to enemies, and even then only on completely flat ground due to complete lack of gun elevation and depression. Other then that, it dies in 2 or even 1 shot to pretty much anything it's matched against, so it takes good tactic and a quite decent player behind the wheel to achieve a nice score.

Seriously guys, not every tank that kills you once is overpowered. What's next, nerf BDR? :lol:

Dundonian #11 Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:06 AM

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View PostMaGinty, on 12 January 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Are you taking the piss? Ive finally got rid of that hunk of crap after 51 soul destroying battles with tier 9 tanks. I bounced 1 shell in all of those battles. Its got a crap engine, no armour, no health, crap acceleration and handling. The only bonus with that tub of shite is that you can unload 6 shells into someone if they arent paying attention.

Oh....and for the record. A critical hit isnt a bounce.


For the record you failed to read I did say I had one bounce and one 0 crit and ive seen alot of these tanks really pwning it up in matches doing decent damage to me aswell in my tiger 2 while they support heavy tanks so they can penetrate np and if used well can be a real pain. I will say just because you had a hard time controling and getting used to this tank doesnt mean anything nor did you say if it was fully upgraded.

Im only asking a Simple Question im not complaining so....... lol

Dundonian #12 Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:09 AM

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View Postcorrado_comrade, on 12 January 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

is really definately not an OP tank... but the ability to hide and spot effectively, excel as a scout interceptor and arty killer, destroy any tier8 medium with a full revolver load, makes it a fun tank. and it's the second best winratio tank i have with a roughly 65% if i'm not wrong.


Whats it like for earning credits?

Maximillian #13 Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:40 AM

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LOL?! Owerpowered?
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Meriv #14 Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:40 AM

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not bad as earning money even better than the pz4 if not wrong

Vahal #15 Posted 13 January 2012 - 01:34 AM

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cause it's cheaper to sustain than PzIV mainly and it's pewpewpewpewpewpew ability can make good cash... when not facing 15 tanks with 90mm+ armor everywhere  <_<

weird bounces? Same for all ppl.
Critical hit with 0% damage? Same for all ppl.

so nothing specific to the AMX-12t, really  :Smile_honoring:

ZygZag #16 Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:37 AM

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View Postedeheusch, on 12 January 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Why the negative votes for the post of the OP? He asked a question with a poll and did not even answered "yes" to his question (currently they are 0 "yes"). (...)
I do not understand it either  <_< . It is only a question ...

View Postedeheusch, on 12 January 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

(...) To my point of view it would deserve a little buff of its gun elevation (and possibly also depression) or of its penetration (108 mm isn't so much for a tier 5 tank that is not a real scout).
Agreed. It is not OP at all. It lacks of gun elev & dep very much. It is quite big problem when fighting at some hilly terrain. It has very weak armor so if u forget to stay in cover - you are dead. I drive it in scout/support/anty-arty mode only with stabilizer/scope/net mounted. As 4 now it gives me quite a lot of fun as I treat it like T50-2 - but with less speed/agility and much better firepower  is is simply different:Smile-playing:. It is only light tank after all.

View PostDundonian, on 12 January 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

(...)should I go grind one since i hear they are good credit makers aswell maybe these are the new type 59's?
IMO AMX cannot be compared to T59 at all - totally diferent machines (scout T5 vs med T8). Besides I earn on Typ from 20-100k (highest 115k) cash/per random. I dont think you can do it on a fragile scot tank.

View PostDundonian, on 13 January 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Whats it like for earning credits?
Well, it earns 4 living, but I would not expect something fascinating. When u compare it to T50-2, you will find it as a moneymaker - the russian scout can be very costly due to very high cost of repair. I didn't drive VK2801 & M24 so have no comparison.

IMO it is no sense to compare AMX (light tank) with moneymakers like PzIV or KW as those are totally different types of machines. I hope I will manage to have similar (not higher but at least close) to PzIV income - but I need much more skill on AMX.

Dundonian #17 Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:57 AM

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IMO AMX cannot be compared to T59 at all - totally diferent machines (scout T5 vs med T8). Besides I earn on Typ from 20-100k (highest 115k) cash/per random. I dont think you can do it on a fragile scot tank.

Thats pretty imba cash making I had no idea you could make that amount thanks for the posts so far :lol:

DeathByDribbling #18 Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:08 PM

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overpowered lol, a tiger 2 driver worried about an AMX 12t.  I think tiger drivers develop some sort of inferiority complex stemming from spending too long in a tiger H where they start to think everyone else in the world is driving a better tank then them...

BoJack_Horseman #19 Posted 13 January 2012 - 01:19 PM

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overpowered is the last thing i would say for this tank

but if you said amx 13 90 was overpowered then i would agree with you

XxXSpottedYouXxX #20 Posted 13 January 2012 - 01:23 PM

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View PostMaGinty, on 12 January 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Are you taking the piss? Ive finally got rid of that hunk of crap after 51 soul destroying battles with tier 9 tanks. I bounced 1 shell in all of those battles. Its got a crap engine, no armour, no health, crap acceleration and handling. The only bonus with that tub of shite is that you can unload 6 shells into someone if they arent paying attention.

Oh....and for the record. A critical hit isnt a bounce.

:D


The exact same thing here to i hated that piece of crap.




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