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AMX 12 OVERPOWERED?


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Poll: AMX12 (428 members have cast votes)

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Overpowered?

  1. yes (37 votes [8.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.64%

  2. no (391 votes [91.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.36%

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BrianDuffy #21 Posted 13 January 2012 - 01:34 PM

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I am totally loving my AMX12 - cheap to run, fun to drive and, as long as you pop a few shots off, a money-maker even with a loss, but OP is not a description I'd use. Almost any tank in game above tier 2 (and probably some tier2) can potentially kill the AMX12 due to it's insanely thin armour. The ammo rack - rear of turret - and engine - almost any shot to the front - are particularly vulnerable and once you are tracked you may as well just clamber out of the turret and hide behind a wall. This is the only tank I don't bother with the toolbox kit as I rarely take more than 2 shots before I'm dead, even -25% on repair time doesn't help with this thing.

Sounds to me like you suffered from the old RNG issue which affects us all from time to time.

It's a No from me!

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PadyEos #22 Posted 13 January 2012 - 02:23 PM

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Play one, then you will see how it's not OP at all, the T-50-2 and VK2801 are better. Your only advantage is huge damage for a short time and you really have to put in the work to take advantage of that.

r3activ #23 Posted 13 January 2012 - 02:25 PM

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I stick to my motto: All tanks are OP until you drive them. And when you finally drive them they are crap

Only players who have a tank can complain that it's OP. This will solve many silly threads

BrianDuffy #24 Posted 13 January 2012 - 02:44 PM

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Just a quick addition to PadyEos post - you can't really compare the AMX12 (tier 5 light) with VK2801 or T-50-2 or M24 Chaffee (tier 5 lights). These are all end tier specialist vehicles. The AMX12 is really the equivalent of the M4, T-34 or PzIV (tier 5 mediums). It is only the peculiarity of the French line that makes them tier 5 lights.

gazzer21 #25 Posted 13 January 2012 - 08:00 PM

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Can I have some of what the OP is on plz  :Smile_great:

AMX12 over powered only in a tier 2 battle lol

my BDR was over powered in one game out of 85 , top tank only had 1 BDR on other side and no KV's I rocked  :Smile-playing:
but like my AMX12 all other matches prity much fall into the instant death side of bad when spotted.
French tier 5 sucks.

AMX no armour, and engine that dies if it even sees an shot land near it and a gun that has more bark than bite even from the rear.

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forgot to add it gets match making that would have the TYPE 59 crowed asking for refunds.

Exard3k #26 Posted 13 January 2012 - 09:10 PM

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Do people actually aim at "weak spots" on french stuff?  :D

wockan #27 Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:00 PM

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Come on... Please do this:
http://www.youtube.c...PZTZES0#t=1m29s

Loofah #28 Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:11 AM

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It would be OP if it wasn't treated like T50-2 by matchmaker.
BTW sorry for voting "yes". I was a bit drunk :)

ZygZag #29 Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:40 AM

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View PostPere_Ubu_Roi, on 13 January 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

(..)The AMX12 is really the equivalent of the M4, T-34 or PzIV (tier 5 mediums). It is only the peculiarity of the French line that makes them tier 5 lights.
Well, it is sth between t5 scouts and t5 meds :) . I do not know how you drive your fragile six-shooter, but ... IMO driving it like PzIV or T34 will end up in flames seconds after u spoted enemy or he spotes you :) I checked it on few trainings done with my colleagues.

View PostExard3k, on 13 January 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Do people actually aim at "weak spots" on french stuff?  :D
No need to. French tanks are simply weekspots on tracks ... :)

View Postgazzer21, on 13 January 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

(...) it gets match making that would have the TYPE 59 crowed asking for refunds.
:P I think it has the same top level of mm as Typ.

View PostLoofah, on 14 January 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

It would be OP if it wasn't treated like T50-2 by matchmaker.
Agreed. Among T5 and lower t it would be worse masacre than PzKpfw 38H735 (f) gives to the loltanks.

BrianDuffy #30 Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:29 AM

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Quote from ZygZag
Agreed. Among T5 and lower t it would be worse masacre than PzKpfw 38H735 (f) gives to the loltanks.

I would have to disagree with that as most frontal shots take out your engine, immediately reducing your speed advantage, almost any shot to the rear of the turret takes out your ammo rack thus taking away the Autoloader and any tier 5 tank can pen your armour (+ a lot of tier 4s). Which is a very different scenario to the above.

The T-34 with the 57mm Zis-4 and the Sherman,even, with the 75mm M3L can both fire nearly as fast as you if not faster (100% crew and Rammer I accept but as a lot of people use tier 5 to grind credits, you meet a lot of decent players with good crews in that tier, a lot of scrubs as well mind you!) and both those tier 5 tanks are bouncier with more, sloped, armour. I was beaten up by a Leopard in one game as he used his manoeuvrability to drive rings around me (the AMX12 does not turn well) and even the rubbish 5cm fires faster and can easily pen.

Thus,it would, as with most tanks in this game, largely depend on the individual skills. Yes, if MM stuck 4-5 AMX12 in a tier 5 game they would, should, win but that isn't a problem with the tank and would be the same with most tanks if there were no higher tiers to take them out. Plus you are as vulnerable to laser-guided dustbins from space as any tank.

I for one would like narrower tier spreads in general as I find, with all my tanks, the closer the tier spread the more fun I have win or lose. There are exceptions, I've had some super fun in the M4 Chaffee up against tier 10 monsters!

Just my thoughts
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ZygZag #31 Posted 15 January 2012 - 06:09 PM

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@Pere_Ubu_Roi - OK, I see your point, and I think you are right :) I simply bought T34 with ZIS one more time and ... yeap - almost the same feeling like AMX  :rolleyes: - both in damage taken/inflicted.

So agreed - AMX12t is similar rather to some meds t5 (I daily drive my PzIV as moneymaker and this is sth different IMO).

IchiFi #32 Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:43 AM

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It's prone to getting every module damaged at the same time, before burning to death from one hit, usually due to the tanks the MM unjustly makes it play against.

But it's a decent tank, and I've earned at max 27k from a game where i got i think 5-6 kills.
Average 10-15k creds.

Radical626 #33 Posted 16 January 2012 - 02:39 AM

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I must say...................YOU HAVE ALL JUST BEEN TROLLED.

Don't feed the troll. the 12t aint overpowered its the weakest of the 5/6/7's.

BrianDuffy #34 Posted 16 January 2012 - 03:23 PM

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@Radical626 - I think you, sir, may be the troll; it is neither the weakest nor the strongest of its tier. Nor are its big brothers in their respective tier; however, in the right hands (check the French replays thread on the forum!)they are deadly and in the wrong hands, like mine, they are weak as vending machine tea!

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19T #35 Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:24 PM

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During my militairy service I was a tankcommander in the Dutch army on a Centurion 105mm RMG( yes, yes, a very long time ago!) and I was stationed in Hohne-Germany. During our shooting trainings at old tanks( Chieftains and Shermans) we had often bouncing shells (modern NATO type) So don't think every shot is penetrating, even in this game......
On a training at the shooting range of Sennelager we had the opportunity to drive and shoot with a Dutch AMX13-105mm. It was a real experience: a very fast light tank with a exellent gun. But I had the feeling of sitting in a can sardines... With the thin armor it was in my opinion a limited scout but an exellent anti-tank weapon: in ambush-hit(cartidge of 3)-and run!
In WoT I have the AMX12 now and it gives me the same feeling of that real AMX13. But in the game it is clear that French shells didn't have the same standards of the Germans ones. Particularly the range with the French barrels 47mmSA34-75mmSA32 wasn't pretty.
Looking at other tierV tanks for example the Chaffee with 76mm T94 and the Wolverine with 76mm AT M1A2 are slightly better as the  AMX12 75 mm SA49L48.
So overpowered:  no!!!!

Marky0105 #36 Posted 22 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

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is this actually based on a real tank ??? the only place i can see mention of an AMX12 is a derivative of the AMX13 as an AA gun

are WOT devs just making things up now ??

Strongback #37 Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:00 PM

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AMX 12t overpowered? What the hell are you smoking and where can I get some?

The tank is not by any stretch something you can just rush into enemy base without taking a hit and then unload on the enemy.
This thing is so weak that even if you can get the drop on enemy and start shooting at him before he shoots you, the chances are you'll still die.

The problem with this tank is that until your crew gets at 100%, you can't keep firing at enemy from long ranges and expect to hit.
Gun depression is awful also. Uneven terrain can easily render you unable to shoot.

It's still a fun tank.
The acceleration and mobility is ok. The size is small and you can make a KV your bitch if he is not turned at you.
The problem is that you often get thrown as a "scout" in matchmaking, but you'll make a profit regardless.

SpaceSoviet #38 Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:02 PM

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Nice tank, fun to play, can be really good but certainly not OP:

-Poor Armor
-Poor Gun depression
-Poor accuracy in move

with its drawback, this is a nicely balanced tank.

gazzer21 #39 Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:19 PM

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The OP should go drive one then tell us its Over powered lol.


The AMX12 has NO weak spots,

IT is a weak spot on tracks.

VVere #40 Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:34 PM

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Absolute piece of shit tank.
NO gun elevation, almost no depression -> you can't hit shit from most positions. Neither has agility nor the HP to adjust his position when under fire and to top it off: worse accuracy than a derp KV on the move.
Speed is only reached when going downhill, otherwise going like 25-30 on rough terrain - Good job, that's the same speed my E-75 goes on rough terrain. :D
I really liked the M4 Sherman because you could pull of sneaky backstabbing attacks with it despite same paper armor/hp of the AMX 12t, but with the non-existant gun elevation and depression of the 12t (which extremely affects gameplay), this tank doesn't even come close.
Hating it with every fibre of my being. :angry:




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