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HowlinWulf #1401 Posted 27 February 2021 - 05:40 PM

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View PostHMS_Birmingham, on 27 February 2021 - 10:16 AM, said:

So does WOT plan to go the same way as WOWS and this is why they are pushing crew 2.0 on us ???

 

https://eu.wargaming.../wows/specials/

 

 

I get when you buy a new tank you get a crew but will it be 3 points then 25 then 40 then 75 getting ever more money out of us????

 

That's my best guess as a businessperson. They seem to be aligning the programming and it would make sense to align the marketing as well.



iKnewIT #1402 Posted 27 February 2021 - 05:59 PM

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View PostJAndreiNicolae, on 27 February 2021 - 06:26 PM, said:

Don't know if this is the right topic for feedback, but I will post here two problems I have dicovered with Crew 2.0.

1. Coherence (BiA) doesn't improve camo.....

2. If you have a crew trained on a researchable vehicle and you have sold that tank and put the crew on a premium without retraining it for premium (why would you?) you won't be able to convert the crew.

 

Hope these get addressed. 

 

Food does not affect concealment too.

Experience of crew does not have any impact to Mobility, Concealment or Survivability. It increases only Fire Power and Spotting parameters.

 

I've got "M" mark on AMX 13 105 crew after I've invested 80x250.000 EXP (Yep, 20.000.000) in it, but I still have worse experience with AMX 13 105 in Sandbox than on live server with 7 perks  + 86% crew.

 

p. s. I've done all 24 missions, so, where the **** is my survey????


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Gremlin182 #1403 Posted 27 February 2021 - 06:10 PM

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Completed the survey yesterday and gave the crew 2.0 a good and bad review.

If the conversion of crews gives us enough points to rebuild the crew with the same number of skills and they fix the instructors then I am completely happy with the changes.

Currently they do not as I usually end up missing 1 or 2 skills my next visit to the sandbox will be to see how many crew books I need to get those skills back again.

 

Good points and they are very good.

More skills that I will allow me to customise my tanks.

Instructors to give me bonuses to those skills again adding more customisation

Ability to use a single crew in up to 3 tech tree tanks.

 

So I would end up with fewer crews however I think they would progress faster.

Currently if I play my M48 Patton tank I gain xp on that crew same if I put that crew into a premium tank.

But I have to Play my M46 Patton to gain points on that crew and my Pershing crew to get points for that crew.

Chuck some gold or credits at the problem.

Now instead of 3 crews I have one and every game in the Pershing M46 Patton and M48 Patton improves that crew

 

When we progress up the tiers if we reach a tank we want to keep  we would not require a new crew for the next tank.

I am up to tier 8 in the latest Polish line that crew will also be my tier 9 Polish crew when I buy that tank and eventually the tier 10 as well.

 


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HMS_Birmingham #1404 Posted 27 February 2021 - 06:19 PM

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Seems to me it won't matter how much fuss we make about how bad crew 2.0 is WG will go ahead with this in WOT just as they did with WOWS.

 

The sandbox is just to give us hope that they may actually care what the player base thinks.

 

https://youtu.be/_e3wADQ7IXw



MadamJess #1405 Posted 27 February 2021 - 06:44 PM

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View PostHMS_Birmingham, on 27 February 2021 - 06:19 PM, said:

Seems to me it won't matter how much fuss we make about how bad crew 2.0 is WG will go ahead with this in WOT just as they did with WOWS.

 

The sandbox is just to give us hope that they may actually care what the player base thinks.

WG were going for a full castration but after SB feedback they might only take just the left testicle, its lucky for you that they listen (they never intended to listen and this whole process was premeditated) .



Ragnaguard #1406 Posted 27 February 2021 - 07:00 PM

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View PostVanGore78, on 27 February 2021 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

Disabling the possibility to use the same crew for more than one tank for free would be an option, especially as I see the global picture. In exchange I would prefer to see less researchable modules and especially lower XP cost for those. In my opinion it is helping the game to create huge gaps between the various tanks and crews. The game has a high enough skill cap, so that good players can outplay lesser players with the same equipment. 

 

By the way I am not talking about moving the same crew from T3 to T4. 

 

 

u obviously have not even considered how it will be to be a free to play or a new player..... that is pretty clear to whoever has iq a bit higher than a radish m8!!!!!

u sould prefer less exp why? to see more  players rushing to tier 10 and die after their 1st shot cause they have no freaking idea of the game mechanics? or to save u the grind? which of the two benefits u more???

 

what would be best for the game (not ur game- but the game as in gameplay...)



Galaxy_class #1407 Posted 27 February 2021 - 08:03 PM

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My option to fill out the survey is gone. :( I logged in last night quickly and have gone back in to do the survey and the option is no longer available. I think I saw a message yesterday that says you only have 24 hours to fill it in so I guess that's my fault but why only 24 hours? Do War Gaming not want people to fill it out?

OldTriumph #1408 Posted 27 February 2021 - 08:20 PM

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I spend Today looking at Crew 2.0, pity the Survey appeared yesterday ...

OldTriumph #1409 Posted 27 February 2021 - 08:49 PM

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I Played with the BIA equivalent skill (Coherence)

On the live server I have better Gun Loading 11.3v vs 11.66 on  sand box

Worse view range 402 vs 405    ???

 

And that was after boosting the crew to allow 4 Instructors

T-34-4                                        
Sandbaox Server                                        
                                         
Gun Rammer y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y
Improved Rotation y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y
Vertical Stabiliser y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y
Snap Shot 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
Smooth Ride 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
Coherence 4 10 9 10 10 7 9 10 9 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Instructures  (Coherence) 4 4 4 3 2 4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Coherence Total 12 18 17 16 14 15 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Gun Loading 11.76 11.66 11.67 11.68 11.72 11.70 11.74 11.76 11.78 11.81 11.83 11.86 11.88 11.91 11.93 11.96 11.98 12.01 12.03 12.06
Aiming Time 2.83 2.80 2.81 2.81 2.82 2.81 2.82 2.83 2.83 2.84 2.84 2.85 2.86 2.86 2.87 2.88 2.88 2.89 2.89 2.90
Dispersion 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.44 0.44 0.44 0.44 0.44 0.44
View Range 405 409 408 408 407 407 406 405 405 404 403 402 401 400 399 399 398 397 396 395
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View PostOldTriumph, on 27 February 2021 - 08:49 PM, said:

I Played with the BIA equivalent skill (Coherence)

On the live server I have better Gun Loading 11.3v vs 11.66 on  sand box

Worse view range 402 vs 405    ???

 

And that was after boosting the crew to allow 4 Instructors

T-34-4                                        
Sandbaox Server                                        
                                         
Gun Rammer y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y
Improved Rotation y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y
Vertical Stabiliser y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y
Snap Shot 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
Smooth Ride 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
Coherence 4 10 9 10 10 7 9 10 9 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Instructures  (Coherence) 4 4 4 3 2 4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Coherence Total 12 18 17 16 14 15 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Gun Loading 11.76 11.66 11.67 11.68 11.72 11.70 11.74 11.76 11.78 11.81 11.83 11.86 11.88 11.91 11.93 11.96 11.98 12.01 12.03 12.06
Aiming Time 2.83 2.80 2.81 2.81 2.82 2.81 2.82 2.83 2.83 2.84 2.84 2.85 2.86 2.86 2.87 2.88 2.88 2.89 2.89 2.90
Dispersion 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.43 0.44 0.44 0.44 0.44 0.44 0.44
View Range 405 409 408 408 407 407 406 405 405 404 403 402 401 400 399 399 398 397 396 395
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Spoiler

 

On the Live server your crew gets a 10% bonus from the Commander. It looks like this isn't being applied in Crew 2.0 so all the tanks are basically nerfed right now.



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Also the effect of coherence seems to improve almost linearly  ??

 

See the graphs (post above)

 

It says in the Client "Upon Reaching Skill Level 12 the efficiency of consecutive upgrades is decreased."

 

Coherence.png

 

 

 



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View PostOldTriumph, on 27 February 2021 - 09:05 PM, said:

Also the effect of coherence seems to improve almost linearly  ??

 

See the graphs (post above)

 

It says in the Client "Upon Reaching Skill Level 12 the efficiency of consecutive upgrades is decreased."

 

Coherence.png

 

 

 

 

Where does it say that? I assumed this was a bug in Crew 2.0 but if that's intentional then that's kind of a nerf to the Instructors. I worked out that a 20 point skill is 18% what you would expect which is almost 4 skill points less.



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This is  not good .. Some tanks  like the T-34-3 and the 122 TM have really bad stats .... basically useless

With Crew2.0 you need BIA (coherence) and 4 Instructors and even then doesnt behave as good.

May be its as  Galaxy_class  says "On the Live server your crew gets a 10% bonus from the Commander." but this was still with 4 Instructors ..... 

 

I boosted the gun handling on the T-34-3 to the max and on the 122 TM used Bounty equipment to get the reload time down to 13.89

With Crew2.0 it will be worse and I need to boost the crew level just to allow 4 Instructor ......  

 



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View PostGalaxy_class, on 27 February 2021 - 08:03 PM, said:

My option to fill out the survey is gone. :( I logged in last night quickly and have gone back in to do the survey and the option is no longer available. I think I saw a message yesterday that says you only have 24 hours to fill it in so I guess that's my fault but why only 24 hours? Do War Gaming not want people to fill it out?

It's always nice to see people answer their own questions:bush:



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View PostSnowWeasel, on 27 February 2021 - 09:27 PM, said:

It's always nice to see people answer their own questions:bush:

 

The only 2 questions I asked where Why only 24 hours? and Do War Gaming not want people to fill it out? ;)

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View PostOldTriumph, on 27 February 2021 - 09:25 PM, said:

This is  not good .. Some tanks  like the T-34-3 and the 122 TM have really bad stats .... basically useless

With Crew2.0 you need BIA (coherence) and 4 Instructors and even then doesnt behave as good.

May be its as  Galaxy_class  says "On the Live server your crew gets a 10% bonus from the Commander." but this was still with 4 Instructors ..... 

 

I boosted the gun handling on the T-34-3 to the max and on the 122 TM used Bounty equipment to get the reload time down to 13.89

With Crew2.0 it will be worse and I need to boost the crew level just to allow 4 Instructor ......  

 

 

Yeah it's not looking good. The only hope you have is in pushing your skills beyond 75 into Elite Progression where you get extra Vehicle Handling to balance out what is worse. Maybe that is what WGing want.



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This is where it says that:

 

Select one of the instructors:

 

Then put mouse over skill icon:

 



Gremlin182 #1417 Posted 27 February 2021 - 10:28 PM

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Currently we have skills and perks and the perks do nothing till you have reached 100%.

What are we to make of the new system are they skill perk or something else.

 

They appear to be all skills and as soon as you put one point in you get some effect.

But of course till I actually start grinding a basic crew I really don't know how much play I have to put in to get 1 point.



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View PostOldTriumph, on 27 February 2021 - 10:17 PM, said:

This is where it says that:

 

Select one of the instructors:

 

Then put mouse over skill icon:

 

 

Good spot. That means it's intended and sadly makes Instructors a bit worse now.



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I played a few game today on the Sandbox server ... whitch is pretty good after I thought its all over with Crew2.0 ... 2 days ago ...

 

Its simple all my tanks should function at least as well with the new system....  ALL of them,   not just some after crew books are applied ..

 

 



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For all of those who haven't bought Sabaton Primera Victoria tank - don't do it.

They will only be used for Sweden tanks (Kranvagen or Udes or STRV) and the skills are already set for them, very variable making them useless, because one skill is for kranvagen, other for udes, third for strv. Instead of making one strong instructors team, they are weak. Very not worth. :D 






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