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Your_Worst_Nightmar3 #1 Posted 08 April 2021 - 05:08 PM

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Remember guys,spending money in this game doesn't give you an unfair advantage over the f2p players.



Lanrefni #2 Posted 08 April 2021 - 05:12 PM

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a seal clubber farming a bunch of noobs... so what?

divsmo #3 Posted 08 April 2021 - 05:14 PM

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I got 10 kills in a tech tree M4 sherman is that pay to win as well?

Your_Worst_Nightmar3 #4 Posted 08 April 2021 - 05:18 PM

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View Postdivsmo, on 09 April 2021 - 12:14 AM, said:

I got 10 kills in a tech tree M4 sherman is that pay to win as well?

I know it,and you know it that you won't be able to have a better performance over time in a m4 over the pz5/4.

One time it's luck,but when a tank consistently influences the outcome of games you know it's more than luck.

 



Kdingo #5 Posted 08 April 2021 - 05:19 PM

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Even better p2w right? With a cheap bond tank.

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divsmo #6 Posted 08 April 2021 - 05:23 PM

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View PostYour_Worst_Nightmar3, on 08 April 2021 - 04:18 PM, said:

I know it,and you know it that you won't be able to have a better performance over time in a m4 over the pz5/4.

One time it's luck,but when a tank consistently influences the outcome of games you know it's more than luck.

 

Also had this game in it https://youtu.be/TufZ7_6lVus 

 

I don't get the fuss about the pz if i'm honest, just shoot the turret and they go down pretty easily.


Edited by divsmo, 08 April 2021 - 06:27 PM.


drakkanax #7 Posted 08 April 2021 - 06:41 PM

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Pz.V/IV is only annoying because some very experienced players got it and have been seal clubbing for a while. This will pass, and is already less pronounced. It's not that powerful as a tank unless you're playing it try hard mode full gold with consumables. That is what gives the real advantage. Experienced players can do that in just about any tank on lower tiers.

 

The leFμck on the other hand is a real menace ruining matches.



PowJay #8 Posted 08 April 2021 - 07:23 PM

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Using your brain does give you an unfair advantage over those that don't. That much is defintely true. However, a Premium in the hands of a noob is still a noob with a Premium vehicle. 



wEight_Tanker #9 Posted 08 April 2021 - 07:50 PM

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I used to do a lot better in the Matilda than you and the fella together and that was before the HP buff ofc.

Dramya #10 Posted 08 April 2021 - 08:04 PM

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View PostYour_Worst_Nightmar3, on 08 April 2021 - 06:08 PM, said:

Remember guys,spending money in this game doesn't give you an unfair advantage over the f2p players.


Yeah, and your Matilda is of course not considered OP by many, with similar armor as a KV-1 one tier higher, awesome gunhandling and insane DPM. Instead of using that armor you seem to have been sniping from the back a lot, hence the difference in experience earnings with the Matilda IV. Sure, the Pz V/IV is a good tank, but so is the Matilda.

 

The Pz player simply was a good player and knew how to exploit the mistakes that new players usually make. Playing a good tank certainly helps, but it’s mostly skill.


Edited by Dramya, 08 April 2021 - 08:07 PM.


wEight_Tanker #11 Posted 08 April 2021 - 08:28 PM

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It's not necessarily pay-to-win as many claim, but it sure is pants.

General_Jack_D_Ripper #12 Posted 08 April 2021 - 09:37 PM

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OK, here is the problem with one screnshot of one battle:

 

"Type 5 is not good"

Remember guysgrinding Type 5 is not worth the effort.

 

One screenshot may give a certain impression, like here, only two Type 5s did most of the work. This does not mean, that this is generally true.

I mean, yes, I do agree that that Panzer is OP and obviously P2W.

But everybody knows that anyway, and a screenshot does not prove anything, anyways.


Edited by General_Jack_D_Ripper, 08 April 2021 - 09:39 PM.


frange #13 Posted 08 April 2021 - 09:47 PM

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I've had 11 kills and 3k+ dmg in one single match in the tech tree SU-8 clicker, not running food, purple equipment or gold rounds. Damn that definately is an OP p2w-cart, that SU!

 

Spoiler

 


Edited by frange, 08 April 2021 - 09:52 PM.


Stig_Stigma #14 Posted 08 April 2021 - 10:04 PM

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Game is definetly p2w

Isharial #15 Posted 08 April 2021 - 10:19 PM

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i wouldnt call it "p2w", you can't throw money at WG and suddenly be rolling 60% winrate. people struggle doing 1k DPG in a progetto 46, which is arguably the closest premium to that.. Broken premiums etc.. but not "p2w" as such. 

Hedgehog1963 #16 Posted 08 April 2021 - 10:25 PM

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So this clown is basing a judgement of the Pz V/IV on the results of one battle?

Dramya #17 Posted 08 April 2021 - 10:26 PM

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Many people mistakenly think the choice to not spend money on a game and the inability to win are related. They are not. Yes, you can shoot more gold, but guess what, many don’t. Gold shells do not have that much impact on the game, it’s making good decisions that wins games. You might penetrate a few more shells when shooting gold, but when you play like an idiot you will still lose. Same with premium tanks, an idiot in a premium tank is still an idiot.

PowJay #18 Posted 08 April 2021 - 11:29 PM

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There are (at least) two people who can be seen on the forum who provide clear evidence that it does not matter how much money you spend on this game, you still lose if you haven't got a clue what you are doing. I haven't seen one of them for a while. 

 

One has easily spent over 2,000 Euros (probably over 3,000) and has performance stats that would make a chimpanzee stick to throwing poo around. It is strange that he doesn't have (or hasn't played) the Pz V/IV but he has the famously OP tier VIII Progetto. It doesn't look very OP to me. Nor do any of his tier VIII Premiums, every single one of which has, at best, orange Wn8 but mostly red and a few black. 

 

So, OP, when you learn to play, when you demonstrate an adequate understanding of this game and its content, when you can actually play those Premium tanks that you own, then you might have an opinion with a little more weight behind it. 



drakkanax #19 Posted 09 April 2021 - 12:17 AM

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For the sake of argument just because some that spend money do NOT win more doesn't falsify the premise that spending money helps you win. That's a logical fallacy. Just because some people fail to use the advantage doesn't mean the advantage doesn't exist. The logic is: If ANYone can make the advantage work, then there is an advantage. In this case p2w. So all the people claiming that not everyone paying wins more prove nothing.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #20 Posted 09 April 2021 - 02:29 AM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 08 April 2021 - 10:25 PM, said:

So this clown is basing a judgement of the Pz V/IV on the results of one battle?

 

A very statistically significant single battle I'll have you know!

 

That PZ owner had a 100% WR in that game and you can't argue with numbers like that! 

 






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