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ilmavarvas #41 Posted 17 May 2021 - 05:32 PM

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View Post3N3RGl, on 17 May 2021 - 05:24 PM, said:

But what when you are on the other team? Get rekt. Same as your team because bot arty aims better. Defeat. Losing streak.

 

So you're also saying that bots play better than most humans? :trollface:



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View Postilmavarvas, on 17 May 2021 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

So you're also saying that bots play better than most humans? :trollface:

Dont care as it is not the point here. Focus is on the bots.



snowlywhite #43 Posted 17 May 2021 - 06:12 PM

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View Post3N3RGl, on 17 May 2021 - 02:07 PM, said:

Prepare to get your mind blown. Btw wanna make a financial bet? I will gladly take your money.

I know nothing was done because i made multiple reports since 2020 and am following the situation. You can be very certain these are bots because of the names, stats, battles played adn tanks played. Again these are not people and it is not a suspicion, I have proof.

Oh boy, this is much worse than the Excelsior invasion, Also, i am following the clan and accounts for 6 months and they are not deleted after reporting multiple times.

 

So guys this is the deal, welcome to the Matrix:

Back in 2020 i found a clan that had 100 players in it. (i found more clans like this, even same name but different number in name)

All the players had the same 3 or 4 names only different numbers in them ranging from 1 to 30.

Looking at the accounts, i found that every single of those 100 accounts only plays the American m44 arty. (and all of them play every day)

 

After a closer look, all of them have almost same stats. They are different only just because of teams they get, map rotation and RNG.

So here is your proof. Welcome to the Matrix!

I reported this multiple times with no results! Found 15 more clans like this and infinite random accounts!

So now I ask again for this to be forwarded to support and be dealt with.

Thanks

 

so where exactly is the "proof" in what you posted?

 

the "bot" does more dmg than I did in my m44. I admit I wasn't the greatest player when I was playin' my m44, but think I was blue already. Ok, I hate playin' arty, but... bots that were posted in the forums were doing sub 100 dpg in t6 arty. Not 700.

 

if anything, looks like a dude playin' multiple accts. Which as far as I know isn't illegal.

 

why he's doin' that, I have no clue. Usually it was linked to refferal programs. But I have no clue what they're offering you; never was interested in it.

 

Anyway, at that dpg it's not a bot. So why would the acct. be banned? You don't do 700+ dpg in t6 with a bot. Bot won't know how to select targets, won't figure out who's the muppet that sits still till shell will land on him, won't lead properly, etc.



tobbetank #44 Posted 17 May 2021 - 06:14 PM

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So bot-factorys are doing very well! New shiny botaccounts can be found on digital platforms for e-trade, for some 25 USD, some can get a nice Leopard1 for example. Last time I looked, 11 where sold! This means if true 11 new players join the eu-server with a tier 10 tank and no clue about the game.


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View Postsnowlywhite, on 17 May 2021 - 06:12 PM, said:

 

so where exactly is the "proof" in what you posted?

 

the "bot" does more dmg than I did in my m44. I admit I wasn't the greatest player when I was playin' my m44, but think I was blue already. Ok, I hate playin' arty, but... bots that were posted in the forums were doing sub 100 dpg in t6 arty. Not 700.

 

if anything, looks like a dude playin' multiple accts. Which as far as I know isn't illegal.

 

why he's doin' that, I have no clue. Usually it was linked to refferal programs. But I have no clue what they're offering you; never was interested in it.

 

Anyway, at that dpg it's not a bot. So why would the acct. be banned? You don't do 700+ dpg in t6 with a bot. Bot won't know how to select targets, won't figure out who's the muppet that sits still till shell will land on him, won't lead properly, etc.

The accounts are played in the same time on multiple machines with same stats. Every single day.



snowlywhite #46 Posted 17 May 2021 - 06:41 PM

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went through what you sent(ok, ~15 of them) and last battle definitely is at different time for each of them.

 

once again - to me it looks like a couple of guys playin' a... f ton of arty accts. Why they do that? Have no clue. Doubt it's due to the love for arty; probably it's due to love of money if you know what I mean. Though I don't know what you do with those accts; how you sell it or what you get by playin' them.

 

But bot with 700+ dpg - that I'm pretty sure it's impossible. Heck, you 3rd mark that thing with ~1k dpg. And m44 is definitely not an easy mark by t6 standards.



Alkovich #47 Posted 17 May 2021 - 06:44 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/4jPhrrt

 



snowlywhite #48 Posted 17 May 2021 - 07:04 PM

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View PostAlkovich, on 17 May 2021 - 06:44 PM, said:

 

listen - we all know there are arty bots.

 

my point is - if you're able to code a bot doing 700+ dpg in t6 arty, you are competent enough to get an actually well payed job. Payed well enough that boting in WoT would be less then pocket change.



WarlockOPain #49 Posted 17 May 2021 - 07:08 PM

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In the WoT forum is no point writting about:

 1. bots - WG not care

 2. illegal mods - WG not care

 3. bugs - WG not care

As long as the money comes WG not care. When the cash flow decreases then may be something would be done,

because WG is online merchant and every merchant care about money. 

 



malachi6 #50 Posted 17 May 2021 - 07:09 PM

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Interesting proposition; infinite bots.  Given that there will be a finite number of games then, obviously, there will be a finite number of bots rendering the point moot.  But if there were an infinite number of games then there could be an infinite number of buts but then there would also be an infinite number of players. so again, the point would be rendered moot. infinity is tricky.

Edited by malachi6, 17 May 2021 - 07:10 PM.


ilmavarvas #51 Posted 17 May 2021 - 07:09 PM

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View Postsnowlywhite, on 17 May 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

 

listen - we all know there are arty bots.

 

my point is - if you're able to code a bot doing 700+ dpg in t6 arty, you are competent enough to get an actually well payed job. Payed well enough that boting in WoT would be less then pocket change.

 

But maybe they do it for same reason as 90% of wot players: just for fun?



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Maybe the clan in question has a 2 behind the name, and the main clan has a 1 behind it.

And maybe some of the bot names actually contain the main account's name.

 

Main:

Bots (presumed bots):

 

Though to be fair, it is possible to play 1500 battles in 30 days over 3 accounts, and not care for stats at all on two of them.

 

But then accounts like this and two others is where sense leaves the room:

 



snowlywhite #53 Posted 17 May 2021 - 07:49 PM

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View Postilmavarvas, on 17 May 2021 - 07:09 PM, said:

But maybe they do it for same reason as 90% of wot players: just for fun?

 

yeah; and the 1bln+ company(WG) manages to do a clean, but unimpressive bot in all those pve games. But the guy in his garage, after hours, makes a good one "for fun".

 

"for fun" meaning scrapping after tens of thousands of replays to train your ai, computing power and so on.

 

sorry, but personally I'm not buyin' it. Though I'm mighty curious to know wtf they're selling to justify 10h+/day playin' m44...


Edited by snowlywhite, 17 May 2021 - 07:53 PM.


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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 17 May 2021 - 07:20 PM, said:

Maybe the clan in question has a 2 behind the name, and the main clan has a 1 behind it.

And maybe some of the bot names actually contain the main account's name.

 

Main:

Bots (presumed bots):

 

Though to be fair, it is possible to play 1500 battles in 30 days over 3 accounts, and not care for stats at all on two of them.

 

But then accounts like this and two others is where sense leaves the room:

 

 

Yep.

I calculated the number of games in 30 days for these accounts you posted combined.

The number is 9.707 played battles  in 30 days so no chance its human.

If we calculate clan average 100 bots with average 500 games per month we get 50.000 bot infested games per month just by this clan alone.

Time for WG to start bans on IPs, MAC adreses and hardware.

 



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Don't understand why anyone would use AI for bots. It's a lot easier to cheat.

 

When I started off programming many decades ago, I wrote a computer version of Spoof and, in the days before surfing the internet at lunchtime was even a glint in the eye. ran it on the company mainframe for my colleagues entertainment. Took people ages to work out it was cheating. It knew exactly how many coins you'd picked because you had to type it in! :trollface:



snowlywhite #56 Posted 17 May 2021 - 08:09 PM

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2x Special Bundle - Refer a Friend

World of Tanks Special Package Refer a Friend

 

ok, mystery solved. Though playin' m44 all day; what a shitty job...



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View Postsnowlywhite, on 17 May 2021 - 08:09 PM, said:

 

2x Special Bundle - Refer a Friend

World of Tanks Special Package Refer a Friend

 

ok, mystery solved. Though playin' m44 all day; what a shitty job...

 

an idea I just had - maybe they are selling friend referrals ?

 

 

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View Postsnowlywhite, on 17 May 2021 - 07:49 PM, said:

"for fun" meaning scrapping after tens of thousands of replays to train your ai, computing power and so on.

 

I don't think this AI needs to be trained, I think these are simple bots i.e. procedural knowledge-based expert systems. no need to train them.

 

EDIT: after a short research, it turns out that there is a commercial arty bot program, it costs money to rent it for 150, 1500, 5000 or 15000 battles.
I guess the makes of the bot also use it to farm referral rewards.


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View PostWarlockOPain, on 17 May 2021 - 06:08 PM, said:

In the WoT forum is no point writting about:

 1. bots - WG not care

 2. illegal mods - WG not care

 3. bugs - WG not care

As long as the money comes WG not care. When the cash flow decreases then may be something would be done,

because WG is online merchant and every merchant care about money. 

 

The WG dilemma; banning clan/ players will affect the dwindling numbers of players that already leave. WG mission is to get new players and get the playerbase to grow. In that light its not any good idea to reduce by banning accounts. However in the long run they kill their own game.



snowlywhite #59 Posted 18 May 2021 - 09:13 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 18 May 2021 - 07:15 AM, said:

 

an idea I just had - maybe they are selling friend referrals ?

 

 

06:18 Added after 2 minute

 

I don't think this AI needs to be trained, I think these are simple bots i.e. procedural knowledge-based expert systems. no need to train them.

 

EDIT: after a short research, it turns out that there is a commercial arty bot program, it costs money to rent it for 150, 1500, 5000 or 15000 battles.
I guess the makes of the bot also use it to farm referral rewards.

 

yes, that's what I think, that they're selling "friends".

 

But I don't see how a simple bot can do anywhere near that dpg. That's why I assume they weren't getting banned. Since they were probably checked by WG; and it's a human player behind them.

 

the famous bots that were posted before on these forums were doing somewhere in the 100-200 dpg range on t6 arty. 700+ it's ~ 1 mark for m44(assumin' 50% of dmg you get in assist on average). And don't see how a simple bot can do anywhere close to that.

 

p.s. - anyway, the excelsior bots(which are true bots) seem to get banned rather fast. I know as I'm inept enough that I still didn't mark t67 after 300+ battles. And I'm reporting those. I've checked a few later and they were banned.

 

sure, for whatever's worth it. Given that probably who runs the bot just makes another acct in the next minute after it's banned...

 

p.p.s. - I presume some of those excelsior bots(again, I don't think what's posted here are bots) get through. As otherwise don't know why they'd run them.

 

Anyway, that referal program was always a mess. You'd think that after years of ppl. just creating another acct. or boting through it, WG would drop it already...


Edited by snowlywhite, 18 May 2021 - 09:29 AM.


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View Posttobbetank, on 18 May 2021 - 10:09 AM, said:

The WG dilemma; banning clan/ players will affect the dwindling numbers of players that already leave. WG mission is to get new players and get the playerbase to grow. In that light its not any good idea to reduce by banning accounts. However in the long run they kill their own game.

 

You are right. The problem is that a lot of adults leave WoT and replaced by children. The coronavirus contributes to leave.

Children have little money, they cant buy tanks or other stuff for 40, 50 or 100 euro. The majority cannot. This may result in a decrease in a cash flow and then WG may be doing something to improve the WoT program. Putting up rare tanks for sale shows that cash flow as decreased. 


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