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Community #1 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:00 PM

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The Sandbox for HE shells and artillery provided invaluable feedback. See what will be tested during the upcoming Supertest.

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SlyHuntsman #2 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:05 PM

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Good EBR nerfs, meh buffs on the others. But is these really the ONLY tanks that need special consideration? What about the HE spam from  HT/TD with guns like the 60TP etc.?

ozo1212 #3 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:10 PM

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when is the common test will be availbe?

teriaksu #4 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:16 PM

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tl;dr translation of the news article :   " we know you don't like the proposed changes for HE 2.0, so here's some buffs for the tanks that mainly play with HE loadout"

 

Idk about anyone else, but even with all the buffs, chances are I'll park my KV2 forever and just remember it the way it used to be.

 

*cries in playing the HE-2 while drunk*

 

 

 

View Postozo1212, on 18 May 2021 - 03:10 PM, said:

when is the common test will be availbe?

 


Edited by teriaksu, 18 May 2021 - 02:17 PM.


Mian_ #5 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:23 PM

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the premium ebr laaughs in the corner. :trollface: i just started grinding ebr after if you cant beat em join em. :great:

GodTank2 #6 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:32 PM

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Ok so now players have even more information to process about arty , you can see where arty shot on the map so you can calculate their reload time , you can calculate their position from where the shell tracers are coming from, you can react to arty shells coming to you. Thats good and all but what the f do arty players have to do? Why do normal players have to think and calculate all this new information but arty remains the same easy no brain class? Why isnt arty becoming harder to play? It doesn't make much sense. All these changes to arty will only be effective for the above-average players, average players will probably play the same as before.

ExeCutOr563 #7 Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:35 PM

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Oh nice, a little EBR nerf. These kind of buffs are always warmly appreciated:medal:. Now Wg just needs to work on nerfing arty, and this game will be close to my top 5 again.

leggasiini #8 Posted 18 May 2021 - 03:03 PM

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This would've been a good chance to properly rework/buff the Type 5 Heavy, instead of giving them what is mostly a minor pat on the back... :hiding:

 

They're very underwhelming right now regardless of HE rebalance or not. The 14 cm getting an accuracy buff is nice, but it's absolutely not going to be enough, considering that gun still has terrible DPM, abysmal premium ammo and awful penetration dropoff over distance. Their armor layout is also flawed by design, since they're almost immune to standard ammo frontally (especially the Type 5 Heavy), but the armor is practically completely useless against premium ammo (even more so than other slow super-heavies). The armor is something that's harder to fix, though, so properly buffing the 14 cm gun would've been a relatively easy buff to implement that would've at least somewhat helped them.

 

The 15 cm HE gun getting reworked into pseudo-AP gun (with high-pen HE shells instead of usual AP/APCR/HEAT as premium ammo) is cool, basically the best thing you could've done to the HE gun aside from just completely removing it. 252 penetration + 680 alpha might actually be viable on the Type 4 Heavy now, considering 680 is so ridiculously high at tier 9 that not having high penetration premium ammo might be enough to make it usable. Certainly not on the Type 5, though; the gun is still so much worse than the E 100/60TP/705A guns aside from it having HESH.

 

Nevertheless, even if the buffs are among the most tiny ones I've ever seen, I never expected WG to actually touch the Types again...so it's something, I guess?

 

EBR HE getting nerfed is amazing news, though.



Sir_Captain_Death #9 Posted 18 May 2021 - 04:04 PM

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What is the official reason for the HE changes?


Edited by Sir_Captain_Death, 18 May 2021 - 04:04 PM.


Dimitur2389 #10 Posted 18 May 2021 - 04:33 PM

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View PostSir_Captain_Death, on 18 May 2021 - 04:04 PM, said:

What is the official reason for the HE changes?

Nobody know even WG dont know.

I want somebody from wg to show me how to pen hulldown monsters with out HE and gold? 

 

And last question what about gold spam?


Edited by Dimitur2389, 18 May 2021 - 04:34 PM.


Sir_Captain_Death #11 Posted 18 May 2021 - 04:37 PM

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We all know that this change is for our best because we request this, like always.

But, wh€r€ is the catch?



CHICKEN_steel #12 Posted 18 May 2021 - 04:47 PM

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For the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun, penetration was increased for the Common Type 91 shell from 240 to 252 mm.

This is a typo i guess?

 



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And what about the gold spam???? Nothing coz money

swatdennis #14 Posted 18 May 2021 - 04:59 PM

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Why do these tanks need special treatment?

Because if the system can't be changed in a whole, why is the system changed to begin with?
I'd say, give no tank special treatments.

Dava_117 #15 Posted 18 May 2021 - 05:12 PM

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View PostCHICKEN_steel, on 18 May 2021 - 04:47 PM, said:

For the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun, penetration was increased for the Common Type 91 shell from 240 to 252 mm.

This is a typo i guess?

 

 

From what I understand, they plan on adding an AP round with 252 pen to the 15cm gun.

Guess they originally gave it 240 pen, but then find out how ridiculously low 240 pen is on tier 10 and buffed it.


Edited by Dava_117, 18 May 2021 - 05:15 PM.


SfMercenary1312 #16 Posted 18 May 2021 - 05:40 PM

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View PostSir_Captain_Death, on 18 May 2021 - 05:04 PM, said:

What is the official reason for the HE changes?

Sheeps of WG doesnt know difference of HE and HEAT spamming. Most of community is fed up on unlimited HEAT spam, but maybe dev's cant read and they tought it's just HE... :confused:

 

And they think community and players are clowns that believe that part, where 240mm arty shell doing 750av damage on penetrating AP shell is generous change, that would actually encourage of using ammo type that wont do 99% time anything else than crit or ding and having reloading time of 40s+


Edited by SfMercenary1312, 18 May 2021 - 05:42 PM.


gunslingerXXX #17 Posted 18 May 2021 - 05:49 PM

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View PostSir_Captain_Death, on 18 May 2021 - 04:04 PM, said:

What is the official reason for the HE changes?

Distraction from the real problems



Strategic_mind #18 Posted 18 May 2021 - 06:00 PM

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So i guess we're just going to forget the KV-2's main rival at T6 the O-I which is also played as a HE tank, and the entire line actually cause after the nerfs to them WG just totally skipped the 105's they have which are just plain garbage and pointless, after the 4 sec reload nerf on the O-Ho the survivability on that tank went down by 25% cause it didn't get ANY buffs to compensate for the lack of firepower. So this entier HE "rework" is just another way of making sure that no tank can dig out an OP POS tank like the T95/FV4201, 279e or for that sake the 268v4 and 430U.

tanKas_defender #19 Posted 18 May 2021 - 06:12 PM

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If my Type 5 Heavy is playable again after these changes ( without being an gigantic house that poses little to no threat to anyone in the battlefield ) then of course they are welcomed!:great: 

 

I didnt grind a tier X for nothing!


Edited by Desyatnik_Pansy, 18 May 2021 - 06:50 PM.
Removed red text colour.


leggasiini #20 Posted 18 May 2021 - 06:36 PM

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View PosttanKas_defender, on 18 May 2021 - 07:12 PM, said:

If my Type 5 Heavy is playable again after these changes ( without being an gigantic house that poses little to no threat to anyone in the battlefield ) then of course they are welcomed!:great: 

 

I didnt grind a tier X for nothing!

Not much has changed. Really the only thing that changed is that both guns are slightly more accurate and the derp gun now has AP shells, but that won't really help it too much when fighting against other tier 10 heavies.

 

Both guns are still bad at best, and the tank is still huge, slow and has kind of armor that promotes people to spam premium ammo, but then doesn't do much once people actually start firing premium ammo.


Edited by Desyatnik_Pansy, 18 May 2021 - 06:51 PM.





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