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Is AMX 13 90 worth the horrible MM it gets?


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Poll: Is AMX 13 90 worth the horrible MM it gets? (318 members have cast votes)

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Is it worth to upgrade from the AMX 75?

  1. Yes (240 votes [75.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.47%

  2. No (44 votes [13.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.84%

  3. Only for those "good matches" with lower tiers (34 votes [10.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.69%

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Alezul #1 Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:10 PM

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I absolutely loved the AMX 75, i thought the AMX 90 could only get better but after 54 rounds i'm not so sure.

You get double damage, 400 hit points more...what's not to love?

Well I noticed that most of the matches i'm in a battle where there are 10 tier 9 tanks per team, about 2 tier 10 and tier 8 arty. I don't find that very fun, my "double" damage doesn't seem so impressive anymore and the health increase is practically pointless because tier 9 tanks kill you in 2 or 3 hits at most.
The recent arty income nerf murdered all arty parties, now i can't be a very good spotter either.

Sure, i get matches where i have tier 7 and 8 tanks, ones that you can kill with a single clip but...these are the rare battles, the "good matches".

The AMX 75 is less screwed by MM. I can barely hurt tier 9 and 10, true but their numbers are decent.

I'm wondering if maybe a downgrade would be more fun since i'd be able to hurt more enemies. Plus i NEVER lost money on the amx 75, no matter what i did.

What do you guys think, is the AMX 90 worth the trouble to deal with all these high tier tanks?


EDIT: It seems i was just having bad luck. I hardly ever seen one of those matches after making the topic. So yes, it IS worth it to upgrade.

CrazyCactusK #2 Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:24 PM

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The 90mm gun has enough penetration for you to get through even the tier X tank armor. The IS 7 is easy to penetrate from the side, the E100 rear of the turret is like paper, being penetrated by 100% of the shots, but I have yet to try the maus with it.


The tank is worth it and just because of the damage you can deal, my own has only a hundred battles, but the average XP is 1 000 points at ~50% win ratio.

Alezul #3 Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:37 PM

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May i ask where you shoot the IS7 on the sides? That thing is so bouncy that i don't even bother unless i can shoot the rear. Any tips are much appreciated.

corrado_comrade #4 Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

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as sindroms said. it's a light tank that can kill any t8 in a matter of seconds with a full magazine. can't bounce nothing but if you're used to paper armor meds like the US, you'll perform WAY better than those. you can do many things in a tier 10 battle. first of all, you excel at killing scouts... even when heavly outnumbered. second, you can hide and spot with binocs and an excellent view range and camo. third, you can slip by the rear of the main enemy force, picking and focusing on tanks you can cripple. you can almost kill a T34 in 15 seconds. you need to pick targets your team is engaging so they can't turn or get cover in time to hide from your machinegun. you have enough agility to circle an E50, outmaneuver a T54, circle any heavy tank. you can use your first shot to track and the other 5 aimed at the rear or at your target's ammo rack. the AMX 13 90 healthpoints are a good amount. enough to survive 2 IS7 shots. is one of the tank i have the highest win ratio with. is something like 65%. remember. ambush a unawary target and finish your magazine on it. then you retreat, reload and think about where you'll move next. it's really excellent... you can win a brawl easly with a type59/t-44/pantherII since he shoots you one time while you shoot him 6 times. last but not last, if you do a ninja arty killing run, you can load 6 HEs and kill almost 3-4 arties with a magazine. aiming time of the 90 F3 sucks so i use gun laying drive and vents. binocs for big maps where i can spot safely (malinovka, komarin, murovanka)

it's also a very small tank. you can hide it everywhere, get cover in every terrain slope, and in case, escape at 65 km/h.

i just love it.. i have unlocked the lorraine but i'm still playing it and using it as a really good credit farmer. is so OP i think will get a nerf in the upcoming patch.

Alezul #5 Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:46 PM

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Perhaps i judged it too hastily then, i'll try some more to get into it. Thanks for the replies.

Ealien_ #6 Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:50 PM

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The 90mm gun has enough penetration for you to get through even the tier X tank armor. The IS 7 is easy to penetrate from the side

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The IS 7 is easy to penetrate from the side

Shot 36 to side armor, 90' angle, 5 hits that actually did damage. Holes all over the hull, but no damage. Bullet going through and disappearing, made of ice or something ;) Same thing on object 704 side armor on 'turret thing'(if you know what i mean, heh), also IS-3. Stats are actually cheated, i'll try to upload my testing on youtube and show how much cheated russian tanks are after 0.7.1...

CrazyCactusK #7 Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:11 PM

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Did I mention that the only place to damage IS7 from the side is not the bulk of the side, which is double armor, by the way, and cannot be shot through even with gold ammo, but the space betweeen the track and main hull. Yes that thin little strip. Pew pew there.

I will upload some videos later.

Orkel2 #8 Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:22 PM

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The IS-7 armor behind the tracks is 100mm. It's piss easy to penetrate. Aim for the 100mm armor behind the tracks, NOT the armor above the tracks because that part is thicker and sloped too.

smoukki #9 Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:00 PM

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It´s totally worth it.

Getting the 90mm was a huge upgrade compared to the 75mm, for me that is, hence the MM value is just fine as it is now.

I really don´t have anything bad to say about this tank. AMX 12t was a fun tank, AMX 13/75 even more intriguing and last AMX 13/90 was the icing on the cake, hence I couldn´t sell it when I got Lorraine. Too good tank to sell  :Smile_great:

Ealien_ #10 Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:15 PM

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The IS-7 armor behind the tracks is 100mm. It's piss easy to penetrate. Aim for the 100mm armor behind the tracks, NOT the armor above the tracks because that part is thicker and sloped too.

Cmon stats says: "150mm side armor". 17/18 shots with no-penetration, even to the non-sloped part...

MrO #11 Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:36 PM

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View Postealienx, on 16 January 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Cmon stats says: "150mm side armor". 17/18 shots with no-penetration, even to the non-sloped part...
Because it's not "non-sloped": IS-7 armor

vlajko #12 Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:52 PM

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Those kind of matches where the lowers tank is tier 9 started appearing after patch 0.6.7. due to some MM tweaks. To be perfectly honest, I don't find them particularly fun to play in any tank, as they tend to be matches of campy-slugish type and usually horribly arti infested, for whatever reason.
For me the fun of WOT random matches is actually in their diversity, so many different types of vehicles on the field with all their pros and cons that make a wonderful mess on the battlefield. You have some people in the back defending, you have a couple of random lights buzzing around, mediums flanking or doing whatever taking occasional chunks of enemy heavies, bunch of heavies slugging it out on some choke point or other... Lot of things happening all around, it's fun and colourful.
So when you get stockpiled among too many similar tank types of same tier, I find it to be less fun in general, be it that I am the guy on top, middle of bottom of the list, doesn't matter.

But I digress, I find AMX 90 to be a nice tank by itself, but you are right, MM tends to rob it of fun occasionally.

Homer_J #13 Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:53 PM

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View Postealienx, on 16 January 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Cmon stats says: "150mm side armor". 17/18 shots with no-penetration, even to the non-sloped part...

The flat part is deceptive, that is spaced armour with thicker sloped armour behind.  That is why you get a penetration mark and bounce.  Aim way back along the hull, where the engine is if you want to go through.

Exard3k #14 Posted 17 January 2012 - 03:04 AM

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You get better matchmaking after the AMX 13 90 with the Lorraine, because it isn't treated as a scout ... just check the matchmaking table. Lorraine is the best tank you get get in the light/medium line of France in terms of matchmaking.

MordecaiISC #15 Posted 17 January 2012 - 07:51 AM

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Is it worth it ?

Yes. It is.

Even with "bad" matchmaking. Frankly whenever I play it I actually pray for a game in which I'll end up either in the middle or lower middle of the table - I tend to pounce every, single target of opportunity which presents itself nearby (force of habit, can't help it) and low tier vehicles tend to give rather poor amount of exp & creds unless you shoot lot of em and they can still shoot you to pieces just as easily as big boys. With higher tier, even if you lose the game, earnings should be quite good (around 600 exp and 20 - 25k creds for lost battle) provided you won't get blown to pieces in first minute and/or without doing any damage at all.

Arkhell #16 Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:47 AM

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as long as people don't understand that you're basicly a ISU 152+Bl-10 except that your faster with a bid less penetration but more damage potential you should be fine :P

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View PostAlezul, on 16 January 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

May i ask where you shoot the IS7 on the sides? That thing is so bouncy that i don't even bother unless i can shoot the rear. Any tips are much appreciated.

just under the skirts, on the top track wheels. if you hit the upper slope you'll probably bounce but the upper wheels (half height of the side) lead to a plain hull hit. the IS7 low profile make it hard to hit side at distances over 400 meters but if you do a thrust in a low-mid range like 150-200 meters, the side is pretty easy to hit.

ScienceWoona #18 Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:29 AM

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Certainly worth it, this is one of my favourite tanks and I havent played it very much. Nothing can beat shredding things like it can, murdering unsespecting enemies or sneaking up on tier nines and wiping 1000 odd hp off them before retreating. (though admittedly most are intelligent enough to not let you get behind them or alongside in the case of the german ones)

S0ny_B1ack #19 Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:48 AM

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View PostAlezul, on 16 January 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

May i ask where you shoot the IS7 on the sides? That thing is so bouncy that i don't even bother unless i can shoot the rear. Any tips are much appreciated.


View Postealienx, on 16 January 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Cmon stats says: "150mm side armor". 17/18 shots with no-penetration, even to the non-sloped part...

If you have tiem check out this replay: http://dl.dropbox.co...g_bay.wotreplay (taken from this topic: http://forum.worldof...6-t20-gameplay/)
Yes its not a french tank, BUT the T20 has also 160 average penetration with its 90mm gun and you can see in the replay that i have no problems penetrating the IS7 (even torched him once :P)

EDIT: sorry linked the wrong replay first, now its the correct one  :Smile_honoring:

XxXSpottedYouXxX #20 Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:52 AM

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I voted yes the amx 13 90 is a great tank once fully upgraded  :Smile_great:




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