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Deutsch_Luftwaffe #1 Posted 22 October 2021 - 09:39 AM

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which is better do you guys think?

very similar but that 2 gun depression is kinda big



saxsan4 #2 Posted 22 October 2021 - 09:46 AM

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121b is AMAZING

AlexMiam4rsch #3 Posted 22 October 2021 - 10:08 AM

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I really like the 121B but i wouldn't compare it to a tech tree tank.

Object 140 is just outright better. 


Edited by AlexMiam4rsch, 22 October 2021 - 10:33 AM.


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View PostAlexMiam4rsch, on 22 October 2021 - 10:08 AM, said:

Object 140 is just outright better. 

Not true.



Dava_117 #5 Posted 22 October 2021 - 10:45 AM

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Don't have any of them, but 121b looks better armoured and the gun looks better too, with higher alpha and penetration.

Deutsch_Luftwaffe #6 Posted 22 October 2021 - 10:48 AM

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compared both.

121b has viewrange, alpha damage, speed, better turret, 350pen HEAT and 105pen HE

140 has better accuracy-depression, and overall armor.

140 is also slightly smaller.

thats with all crewskills, rations, vents stabs rammer and field mods



AlexMiam4rsch #7 Posted 22 October 2021 - 11:06 AM

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121B buff was really huge but not enough top a 140 in my opinion.

View PostDeutsch_Luftwaffe, on 22 October 2021 - 09:48 AM, said:

compared both.

121b has viewrange, alpha damage, speed, better turret, 350pen HEAT and 105pen HE

140 has better accuracy-depression, and overall armor.

140 is also slightly smaller.

Mobility i woud say it's on par. With a bit better terrain resistance on the 140 but better reverse speed on the 121B. Not a deciding factor imo.

 but also consider the the 140 boat like hull shape and it's reverse sidescraping


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Dava_117 #8 Posted 22 October 2021 - 11:10 AM

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View PostDeutsch_Luftwaffe, on 22 October 2021 - 10:48 AM, said:

compared both.

121b has viewrange, alpha damage, speed, better turret, 350pen HEAT and 105pen HE

140 has better accuracy-depression, and overall armor.

140 is also slightly smaller.

thats with all crewskills, rations, vents stabs rammer and field mods

 

121b has better accuracy (0.33vs0.35) and the armour is better too as the layout allows for sidescraping and can't be overmatched by 183mm AP unlike 140 upper sides. The UFP are close in terms of effective armour, but 140 rely more on angle, so will get a greater reduction due to normalisation. Also 121b turret is stronger (up to 280vs240).



AlexMiam4rsch #9 Posted 22 October 2021 - 11:32 AM

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121B →fight upright in to face with -5°

140   →falnking like a medium does

 

140 fits just better its role for a skilled medium tanker.

Change my mind


Edited by AlexMiam4rsch, 22 October 2021 - 12:55 PM.


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I find the 140 much more enjoyable to play. I am horrible with the 121B,.

Sjiebert #11 Posted 22 October 2021 - 12:30 PM

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The 121B has the same dpm as the 140 but with higher alpha damage. Why would you ever want to play something with 320 alpha when you can have practically the same tank with 390? Add the 350 HEAT pen of the 121B in the mix and it looks like we have a winner. Sure the 140 might have it's moment, but the extra alpha and pen of the 121B just makes it more practical in 95% of the battles.

 

The only thing that vouches for the 140 is the gun depression. That could be the dealbreaker.



AlexMiam4rsch #12 Posted 22 October 2021 - 12:45 PM

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View PostSjiebert, on 22 October 2021 - 11:30 AM, said:

The 121B has the same dpm as the 140 but with higher alpha damage. Why would you ever want to play something with 320 alpha when you can have practically the same tank with 390? Add the 350 HEAT pen of the 121B in the mix and it looks like we have a winner. Sure the 140 might have it's moment, but the extra alpha and pen of the 121B just makes it more practical in 95% of the battles.

 

The only thing that vouches for the 140 is the gun depression. That could be the dealbreaker.

A higher rate of fire is more forgiving when missing shots and is better to retrack tanks. 

High alpha is good to trade HP but if you don't penetrate only one shot in a 1 vs 1 your dpm drops harder than the 140 would have. 
I would take the rate of fire all day long as a medium tank.

High alpha is more relevant to a TD or Heavy


Edited by AlexMiam4rsch, 22 October 2021 - 12:52 PM.


Deutsch_Luftwaffe #13 Posted 22 October 2021 - 01:30 PM

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did anybody notice that 140 low rolls most of its shots?

 



AlexMiam4rsch #14 Posted 22 October 2021 - 01:46 PM

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View PostDeutsch_Luftwaffe, on 22 October 2021 - 12:30 PM, said:

did anybody notice that 140 low rolls most of its shots?

 

No :facepalm:

But you might have not noticed the lower delta for the min-max damage rolls thx to RNG.

It's debatable what more deneficial is but I prefere less of a RNG fiesta 

     121B: 390*1,25-390*0,75 = 195

Obj. 140: 320*1,25-320*0,75=  160

 

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M8t, if you want the 121B, get it from the bondshop.

I myself have a 121B in my Garage and i'll keep playing it. Just for the fun and bc of it's armor, gunhandling, penetration and alpha.


I just try to explain why the Obj.140 is still a more competitive tank on Paper and in the right hands.

In the end the only thing that matters is having fun.


Edited by AlexMiam4rsch, 22 October 2021 - 02:13 PM.


Deutsch_Luftwaffe #15 Posted 22 October 2021 - 02:19 PM

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checked stats, the top 10 players on 121B in the last 60 days did 4.6k in avg. 140 did 3.7k

i guess that alpha and pen beats the better aim and depression in most scenarios 



AlexMiam4rsch #16 Posted 22 October 2021 - 02:24 PM

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View PostAlexMiam4rsch, on 22 October 2021 - 09:08 AM, said:

I really like the 121B but i wouldn't compare it to a tech tree tank.

 I already said it.

View PostDeutsch_Luftwaffe, on 22 October 2021 - 01:19 PM, said:

checked stats, the top 10 players on 121B in the last 60 days did 4.6k in avg. 140 did 3.7k

i guess that alpha and pen beats the better aim and depression in most scenarios 

Could also be but ↓
The 121B is Clan War reward Tank (→more skilled players get them), you can't compare the general player stats to a more easy accessible tech tree tank...you might also compere it to a Obj. 907 then :facepalm:

 

 

I have nothing to add here. Good luck and don't get  ammo-racked.


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Deutsch_Luftwaffe #17 Posted 22 October 2021 - 03:03 PM

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u can buy 121B for bonds, and i compared only the top 10 not avg stats of player base

AlexMiam4rsch #18 Posted 22 October 2021 - 03:45 PM

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View PostDeutsch_Luftwaffe, on 22 October 2021 - 02:03 PM, said:

u can buy 121B for bonds, and i compared only the top 10 not avg stats of player base

I see but why would you waste bonds if you have a stb-1 which is almost as good in Top 10 player DPG in last 60Days stats to the 121B and more comfortable to play with its 8 + 6 depression? Save the bonds then. If rly you want to buy the tank go for it. 

 

 



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View PostAlexMiam4rsch, on 22 October 2021 - 02:24 PM, said:

 I already said it.

Could also be but ↓
The 121B is Clan War reward Tank (→more skilled players get them), you can't compare the general player stats to a more easy accessible tech tree tank...you might also compere it to a Obj. 907 then :facepalm:

 

 

I have nothing to add here. Good luck and don't get  ammo-racked.

121B WAS the Clan Wars reward tank, now it's easier to get than tech tree tier x vehicles.



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View PostAlexMiam4rsch, on 22 October 2021 - 12:45 PM, said:

A higher rate of fire is more forgiving when missing shots and is better to retrack tanks. 

High alpha is good to trade HP but if you don't penetrate only one shot in a 1 vs 1 your dpm drops harder than the 140 would have. 
I would take the rate of fire all day long as a medium tank.

High alpha is more relevant to a TD or Heavy

121B has a 105 mm caliber gun, which makes it easier to track in the first place. High alpha is very relevant these days as on a lot of maps you have to trade shots, and it's harder to use your dpm.






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