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Lorraine gun choice 100mm or 90mm?


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Poll: Lorraine gun choice 100mm or 90mm? (351 members have cast votes)

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Which gun do you equip?

  1. 90mm Fires faster, shells cheaper, damage and penetration acceptable. (131 votes [37.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.32%

  2. 100mm Has downsides but is superior weapon and worth the credits. (220 votes [62.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.68%

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TrackLord #1 Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:24 AM

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Just wondering what other players think of the 2 good guns on this tank. The upgrade to the second 90mm was nice and makes this tank quite powerful. The 100m is expensive to run and I didn't seem to do much better with it after about 25 battles. So I have gone back to the 90mm and might stick with it.

One major factor is credits. I make about 3k credits profit per battle on average with 90mm and 3k credits loss on average with the 100mm. Over the 300 more battles I expect to fight in this tank that is nearly 2 million credits. Quite alot for 20mm extra pen, 60 hp more per shot but slower reload. Anyone gone back to the lower tier gun?

xxxtobb3xxx #2 Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:17 AM

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Gonna see if my battles results will change if i'll go back to the second 90mm gun

rasfo #3 Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:06 AM

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played this with both guns. After few battles switched to 90mm, it is much better for me. 3,5 sec between shots and 50 sec reload is what killed fun with 100mm for me.

90mm with 2,5 sec per shot and 35 sec reload is just same as u will have on batchat with 100mm. Thats also good point.

Strongback #4 Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:11 AM

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Always go with the highest penetration.
That's my rule of the thumb

Squadman45 #5 Posted 25 January 2012 - 12:15 PM

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90mm, is a medium tank, his mission is not face heavies then you need support heavies or do flank attacks extra pen is not a great deal (and the minimal extra damage) when you need near 14 seconds more to reload, every second you are out of battle is a second where you dont support tanks that have the true mission of face enemy.

For me 1.000 credits for a gun that fail a lot (i use it in 50/100 and suffer a lot of direct hits with no damage apart magical bounces in weakspots and i have 86% accurancy) is not a great deal.

PD: extra pen is interesting but see PII, less movile and worst gun, in armor there is not a big difference (he only is save from a few tier 5-6-7 guns) and it do a nice job as support med.

Myabo #6 Posted 25 January 2012 - 12:27 PM

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View PostStrongback, on 25 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Always go with the highest penetration.
That's my rule of the thumb


Always important for me - penetration
I have 1k xp per battle in the Lorraine using the 100mm gun  :Smile_honoring:

OpCentar #7 Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:28 PM

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Tried the 100mm, got dissapointed and went back to the 90mm DCA.

Problem is you get really really crappy mag reload time of 50s, which removes any rushing to cap hills on most maps - by the time you get there you are still 20s away from loading your first 6 shot mag?! and then usually AMX13 or some other fast tank destroys your lonely Lorraine. Even if you're in a group, EVERYONE shots the french tank first - it seems they're the new Tiger :D

So you can't rush, OK then you can snipe right? WRONG! that 3.5s shot reload time +aim time destroys your sniping efficiency. And you sometimes miss, and you do 0 damage crits, so from your potential 1800 damage you usually do less.

Combined, your battle efficiency is lowered significantly with the 100mm. Too long magazine reload times = you take longer to shoot each shell, you can't decide should you reload your entire mag or wait for targets to fire the remaining 2 or 3 shells. 6 seconds more to empty entire mag = you are exposed more to enemy fire, your target gets another shot off before he dies = you lose more HP 1vs1.

And don't forget - everyone knows to rush french tanks when they're reloading, usually the enemy thinks for about 10-15s and wonders why he is still alive, then they realize OMG that frenchy is out of ammo :D time for some payback XD it takes about 10 more seconds for them to actually attack, now with the 100mm you are still 20+s away from reloading your mag. With the 90mm DCA and with a bit of luck you can run for that 10s or just take the pain untill you reload and whop their ass for another 1440 damage.

Gun penetration and accuracy wise, 212 on the DCA is enough for any tier 8 front, tier 9 sides and tier 10 rear. I haven't found the extra 20mm or so on the 100mm a significant advantage. Also .33 accuracy or whatever it is on the DCA is good enough for me, I don't need .31 on the 100mm, especially if I have to wait a second more between each shot.

Ammo cost is horrible on the 100mm, without premium even if you win but your tank gets destroyed/significantly damaged in the process you LOSE credits. That's OK if you have tons of cash but I prefer earning credits, especially if I can have fun at the same time :D With the 90mm DCA it's hard to lose credits even without premium.

In short - 90mm DCA FTW!

TrackLord #8 Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:13 PM

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I was going to say more about the logic of going back to the 90mm, beyond the credit factor, but OpCentar echos my thoughts. The gameplay is a little better with the 90mm, or it suits my style more anyway.

There are moments I would like the 100mm stats, shooting the front of type 59s for example. I encounter alot of t59s and they tend to rush and brawl, even when solo (I'm dead if they wolfpack they go for me first), waiting for a shot at the side is not always an option, so the 100mm is certainly a help there. I will probably try out the 100mm again, maybe switch between the two, it is a nice gun in some ways.

I just like having a tier 8 tank that is powerful, fun to play and earns credits (even with non-premium account), rather than a tank that is a little more powerful, a little less fun and loses credits. I'll switch between the two and see if I take to the 100mm.

future_shock #9 Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:35 PM

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For me it's the 100mm gun.

I usually rush a little slower (behind my allies until magazine has loaded) to the typical med fight points. So there i mostly meet Types, which are hard to knock out for my allies in T44 or Pershing. My main goal is to dont take damage and of course eliminate that Types at first because the Lorraine with the 100mm gun is a perfect Type killer. With the 90mm gun i mostly had problems to pen Types front armor, the 100mm is way better in this case and Type is dead meat very fast. Types frontal armor is at its most effective angle 200mm (can be even more), so you really need the 232 penetration in my humble opinion, and it works very well. You can even miss / ricochet 1 shot and still be able to eliminate the Type.

Then when you need to go 1on1 vs an E75 or IS-4 the bigger Alpha damage is very important too. 3 shots of the 100mm make around 900dmg, which is mostly enough to kill a 50% tier 9 heavy. Lorraine has great mobility for its size, i was able to circle an IS-4 for 2 whole magazine reloads and finally eliminated him. Sometimes you need to kill arties also, 2 shots with the 100mm is enough while you need 3-4 shots with the 90mm for most arties. That means you need to reload while engaging 3 arties or when you ricochet / miss.

IS-3, Tiger 2 and T32 i usually knock out with 1 clip when i'm safe to dont take too much enemy fire on me.

But sure, the long reload can be your dead and a loose of a match. Often you need to let die your mates because of the long reload and hide. However, i managed to live with it.

marius11 #10 Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:29 PM

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Even if I plan to use 100mm, should that canon be my last research priority? Usually canons are most important to research, but it doesn't seem to be like that in this tank. Is it tracks > second 90mm > all 3 engines > 100mm?

Filas #11 Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:37 PM

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100mm owns anything, even IS-4s.

future_shock #12 Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:38 PM

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View Postmarius11, on 25 January 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Even if I plan to use 100mm, should that canon be my last research priority? Usually canons are most important to research, but it doesn't seem to be like that in this tank. Is it tracks > second 90mm > all 3 engines > 100mm?

Nope, you can mount the 90mm DCA + Vert Stab + Vents + Optics without the better tracks. But i would go after the DCA for the tracks because engines are more important then the 100mm gun (at least the 850HP). Since you are a big big target with no armor you need to be fast.

EatinAintCheatin #13 Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:05 PM

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If you are very patient in-game and have a lot of credits; go for the 100 mm, use it right and it will be the deathcanon of your team! :D

Eyebot #14 Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:08 PM

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View Postmarius11, on 25 January 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Even if I plan to use 100mm, should that canon be my last research priority? Usually canons are most important to research, but it doesn't seem to be like that in this tank. Is it tracks > second 90mm > all 3 engines > 100mm?

i went like: 90mm > tracks > 100mm > 1st engine > bat-chat

while it might seem counterintuitive, the 90mm DCA has decent enough penetration for a tier8 tank to ignore the lack of mobility in the beginning. while the 100mm might not be everyone's favorite it certainly is a great gun - and only takes 11,5k more XP than the second engine.

the third and fourth engine aren't imho needed if you want to grind just straight to the bat-chat ... they increase the grind by approx. 1/3 without increasing your average XP in a similar way (after all - you'd still have to grind 60k XP to even reach the top engine) ... considering that i was already doing well with just the 750HP engine i didn't deem it a necessity to upgrade the engine even more.

Pedro79 #15 Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:09 AM

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Can anyone tell me the ammo price of these guns?

future_shock #16 Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:23 AM

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I will keep the Lorraine so i researched all. It's an amazing tank and a "must keep" in my opinion.

The 100mm gun cost about 1000 credits for 1 shell. On a good match you can make 50-70k credits, while spend 20k for shells and earn good credits. But the Lorraine doesn't forgive you any mistakes and you can be faster destroyed than you can unload your magazine.

TrackLord #17 Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:01 AM

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View PostPedro79, on 26 January 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Can anyone tell me the ammo price of these guns?
  90mm is 250 credits per shell and the 100mm 1000 credits.

OpCentar #18 Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:44 AM

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Regarding 90mm DCA vs T59 front penetration, it's possible 9/10. Types are paper, you can penetrate anywhere except turret front.

Just aim for the middle hull plate on the front, anywhere will do - I usually aim dead center.

I even don't bother waiting for them to come close, just blast away even at 400+m. If you miss, you usually track them which sends them turning sideways, then aim for the middle hull again, just beneath the turret. If your shot goes to the left you hit engine - usually sets them on fire, if your shot goes right you hit ammo rack - sometimes causing critical explosion :D

XxXSpottedYouXxX #19 Posted 26 January 2012 - 03:31 AM

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I voted 90mm if your free to play.


If premium or you have some cash cows use the big lad the 100m.

Pedro79 #20 Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:04 AM

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View PostTrackLord, on 26 January 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

90mm is 250 credits per shell and the 100mm 1000 credits.

Thanks for the answers




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