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Lorraine gun choice 100mm or 90mm?


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Poll: Lorraine gun choice 100mm or 90mm? (351 members have cast votes)

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Which gun do you equip?

  1. 90mm Fires faster, shells cheaper, damage and penetration acceptable. (131 votes [37.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.32%

  2. 100mm Has downsides but is superior weapon and worth the credits. (220 votes [62.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.68%

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future_shock #21 Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:41 PM

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View PostOpCentar, on 26 January 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

Regarding 90mm DCA vs T59 front penetration, it's possible 9/10. Types are paper, you can penetrate anywhere except turret front.

Just aim for the middle hull plate on the front, anywhere will do - I usually aim dead center.

I even don't bother waiting for them to come close, just blast away even at 400+m. If you miss, you usually track them which sends them turning sideways, then aim for the middle hull again, just beneath the turret. If your shot goes to the left you hit engine - usually sets them on fire, if your shot goes right you hit ammo rack - sometimes causing critical explosion :D

Usually i track them with the first shot too. Then i see his side and shoot simply at front or back wheel while doing damage and keeping him tracked. This give a lot nerdrage in chat lol  :Smile-izmena:

will5572 #22 Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:19 PM

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just started using the 100mm, and i havent looked back!! a very nice gun and u get used to the longer reloading time. i got on the side of an e75 and killed him with 6 shots without taking a hit :) if i was using the 90mm i would of had to run to cover!!

FeelMyGunNow #23 Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:47 PM

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Dont by French...theyre a ******** compared to other tanks in the same tiers....but choice is yours....
Ahhh change my mind ...just played platoon with 2 other Lorrains and it went splendid...

Filas #24 Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:57 PM

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View PostKalleTank, on 28 January 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Dont by French...theyre a ******** compared to other tanks in the same tiers....but choice is yours....
Ahhh change my mind ...just played platoon with 2 other Lorrains and it went splendid...

Wait, French tanks on T8 being shit? Seriously, are we playing the same game? In beta Lorraine (of course if player has a brain) used to own everything T8 and T7, not mentioning the lower tanks...

MordecaiISC #25 Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:40 PM

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View PostFilas, on 29 January 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Wait, French tanks on T8 being shit? Seriously, are we playing the same game? In beta Lorraine (of course if player has a brain) used to own everything T8 and T7, not mentioning the lower tanks...

Still does. It do require some work, and you can't just waltz in and start shooting everything and everyone and you have to pay serious attention to enemy arty (dont stay in one place for too long) but with full mag, proper ambush position, good escape route and at least little knowledge about tanks you'll be facing nothing is safe from you - unless you get more than one 0 crit or ding or just random inaccurate shot you'll take out anything.

JimmyBond #26 Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:29 AM

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Just wondering whetehr its even worth researching the last 2 engines for the Lorraine or not on the grind to the Bat?

lokkagutt #27 Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:12 PM

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View PostJimmyBond, on 31 January 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Just wondering whetehr its even worth researching the last 2 engines for the Lorraine or not on the grind to the Bat?

Personally i wont bother with the last one. Its fast and agile enough without

Dibbl3r #28 Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:07 PM

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View Postlokkagutt, on 31 January 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Personally i wont bother with the last one. Its fast and agile enough without

I am going to keep Lorraine for a while, maybe forever (=until they nerf it), so I decided to unlock and buy the best engine... and it's difference. Slight, but difference!
Best engine (Maybach HL 234P50) has almost 1/3 more power than Maybach HL 230 P 45F (already grinded with AMX 50 100) and it can be felt especially while accelerating. Lorraine is even more agile with it and can reach the top speed faster.

Usage:
- to be 1st on 'any hill'
- faster run to cover when the clip is empty
- peek-a-boo is easier

Radical626 #29 Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:01 AM

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View Postfuture_shock, on 26 January 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

I will keep the Lorraine so i researched all. It's an amazing tank and a "must keep" in my opinion.

The 100mm gun cost about 1000 credits for 1 shell. On a good match you can make 50-70k credits, while spend 20k for shells and earn good credits. But the Lorraine doesn't forgive you any mistakes and you can be faster destroyed than you can unload your magazine.


Stating premiuim credit earning values kinda defeats the point talking about cost. If you spend gold on the game and buy the premium and have a premium account credits isnt an issue. Take off premium, take off the equipment costing 1.5mil and take off the instant 100% crew and suddenly credits means something.

jus sayin y'all

Panocek #30 Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

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100mm. Combined with V.Stab and GLD, it aims faster that shoots. Good enough for me. Damage is sometimes "meh", penetration solid. Ammo is expensive, but not-shot-spamming and nice money can be made, with premium though.

Nixouf #31 Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:46 PM

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Unfortunately they "balanced" badly the 90mm which is 40 seconds to reload vs 50seconds for the 100mm which is much better in all aspects.

No hesitation possible, 100mm is by far the best choice, however if they had put a reload time of 15 seconds for the 90mm this would have made both guns a good choice.

Radical626 #32 Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:30 AM

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View PostNixouf, on 03 February 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

Unfortunately they "balanced" badly the 90mm which is 40 seconds to reload vs 50seconds for the 100mm which is much better in all aspects.

No hesitation possible, 100mm is by far the best choice, however if they had put a reload time of 15 seconds for the 90mm this would have made both guns a good choice.


Thats where credit cost comes in, to support the lorraine with the 100mm and earn enough to buy the bat mobile I would need to grind about 600 battles non-prem to pay for all those lorraine battles and earn for the bat. chat.

However if I used the 90mm I would def be earning money and that would drop to maybe 350.

Spadacyn #33 Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:44 AM

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I've researched the Bat.Chatillon but I'm keeping my Lorraine for the fun of playing in platoon with my friends, and playing in platoon, makes all the drawbacks of 100mm cannon disappear, since you may alternate the fire with another Lorraine or be protected while reloading by the other T8 mediums you are platooned with.

Alezul #34 Posted 05 February 2012 - 10:57 AM

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I tried the 100 mm and i just couldn't keep it because of the expensive ammo. I can make a slight profit with an IS4 but the Lorraine is just a money sink with that 100 mm gun no matter what i do. I don't use a premium account by the way but it's not about higher tiers being less profitable than lower tiers. It's about a tier 8 being less profitable than other high tier tanks.

I already made a topic about it being expensive but about half the people think it's normal. I have to say it's really wrong to pay that much for so little extra when other tanks have better damage to cost ratio but whatever.

Even ignoring costs, the 90 mm has another advantage that i didn't figure out from the useless statistics:
100% crew with vents.
90 mm 2.5 seconds reload between shots, 36 seconds between clips.
100 mm 3.33 seconds with 49 seconds.

You will have to stay longer in a vulnerable position because of that and if you're caught with your pants down while reloading, those 13 extra seconds are murder.

TomasOneil #35 Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:14 PM

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I also tried 100mm gun, but it is not worth using on Lorraine (but wort unlocking for Bat Chattilion). 90mm gun is much better (reasons are already written here) and even cheaper shells, so it is sure pick :)

TrackLord #36 Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:40 PM

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When I started this poll I called the 100mm a superior weapon to the 90mm, after trying both out a bit more I'm not sure it is. I have tried swapping between the two and much prefer the 90mm. The credit factor makes the 90 much better but if I ignore that and simply judge the guns by their damage dealing merits I would still go with the 90. Here's why:

To take advantage of burst damage you want to get your shots away quickly and ideally all in one burst of fire. Being left with 1 or 2 shells is a problem usually requiring reloading. Even 3 shells can be an awkward number to be left with and it can be worth reloading there too. So a much quicker reload of clip gives that option more readily.

Because of the slow aim time and time between shots, a peek-a-boo style, dropping back into cover and popping out to shoot, isn't that good an idea. Staying out and firing till the target is dead, or running out of ammo, is really the most effective way of laying down fire with the autoloader tanks. So reload between shots is crucial in that situation.

For these reasons I think the 90mm's faster reloading works better. When I equip the 100mm I find it is a lttle more like a normal medium tank in terms of rate of fire. The 50 second reload means I don't want to fire off a few speculative shots so like to get a good aim, plus, the reload between shots means I'm more likely to drop back after each shot rather than wait and get hit while lining up the next shot, slowing down my RoF.

Alot depends on each players style of play but to me the 100mm is more about the 50 seconds without shooting than anything else. The no-damage phase while reloading just seems more significant and noticable a feature than the burst damage phase. With the 90mm its the other way so I prefer that.

panzerknackers #37 Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:58 PM

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i use the 100mm. really like it, tho im not concerned with credits. but i dont just spray and pray either. either way you go, 90mm or 100mm are both excellent guns.

trispect #38 Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:28 PM

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View Postmarius11, on 25 January 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Even if I plan to use 100mm, should that canon be my last research priority? Usually canons are most important to research, but it doesn't seem to be like that in this tank. Is it tracks > second 90mm > all 3 engines > 100mm?

Well all engines are pretty pointless. At least for me because I wanted BatChat ASAP. I went: tracks, both guns, first engine --> BatChat

Afther I bought BatChat I have now been grinding the last two engines. Lorraine is well enough playable with the first engine but you get the BatChat gun ready from tier below. That's advantage.

Nixouf #39 Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:40 PM

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View Posttrispect, on 05 February 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Well all engines are pretty pointless.


They are not pointless at all, with the new suspension and engines the lorraine is twice more agile and feels like a small AMX. By far the biggest noticeable difference for all french barillets in speed/agility upgrades is the Lorraine IMO.

However i think the 100mm should be researched first. Keep in mind however that without new suspension you can hardly fit the 100mm + additional modules

brick128 #40 Posted 06 February 2012 - 06:19 AM

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I play the 100 mm gun.

the reload is a real bitch, 50 seconds.

But with the 90 mm I had to much dings in the front of tier 8+ tanks.

No, I'm not using auto aim.




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