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AgentOfBolas #41 Posted 20 February 2012 - 08:24 PM

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View PostVojaSRB, on 17 February 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Sure, PzIV and M4 can mach the T-34, but they can't outmanouver it.
I never had a single problem with blasting throught PzIII-PzIII/IV-PzIV, the M4 or any other tier5 tank. I actually just want them to try and stop me...  :Smile-playing:

True.
Zis 4 deal 2250 damage per minute. It's really imba gun.
Even if enemy will hit you once, or twice, he won't kill you and you will kill him.

It's all about Zis4 rate of fire.
For example - if tank have about 400 HP, Zis needs to hit it 5 times, and on fully upgraded T-34 with 100% and vent + rammer it's just 9.5 seconds. (full upgraded T-34 armed with Zis4 shoots every 1.95 sec. for about 85 damage).

Fawlty_Turrets #42 Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:36 AM

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View PostBlauer_Dragoner, on 31 January 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Thanks alot for all the info. Thumbs up for all you people!

Fixed the T34/T-34 prob... I hope its now more convenient to you. I was never quite interested in the american tanks here, so I didnt knew that there is such a tank with nearly the same name and there might be a chance of confusion. Sorry.

So, which gun do you think is the best now? The F-34, the S-54 or the ZiS-4? Which module should I have to focus? Gun? Turret? Tracks?

Zis 4 all the way. Once you have that gun, this tank is an animal. I run with two clanmates, we all havew this tank with the zis. Most tanks don't make it past the 5 sec life expectancy....

GiS_Feanor #43 Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:27 AM

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View PostFawlty_Turrets, on 21 February 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Zis 4 all the way. Once you have that gun, this tank is an animal. I run with two clanmates, we all havew this tank with the zis. Most tanks don't make it past the 5 sec life expectancy....

I'm picturing it in my head. 3 t-34-57 hammering down on a lonely KV.. bang bang bang.. just getting hit constantly and then he's dead before even managing to focus on a target.
I've been avoiding auto aim from early on since I like to lead the shots myself, but with my crappy laptop and fps down to 5-7 (max 20) my aiming is suffering when I'm on the move. But with the Zis-4 I can actually just hit the auto aim when I get close and concentrate on driving. Lots of fun for a quick drive-by. This of-course only works for easy-to-penetrate targets. Might be common knowledge, but at least with the IDIOT I never fire on the move, nor with auto aim after some heart breaking experience. With the LB-1 on T-44 and vert stab I can use the auto aim on the move again..

anyways, the 57mm is fun. A taste of the french revolver action, just without the tough reload :)

SabiaMagarViteaza #44 Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:15 AM

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Let me tell you from my experience with the t-34:

I have about 700 battles with it, about 30 top guns, countless snipers, one Bolter, max 9 kills with it, 600 average damage per battle (my T-34 has ZIS-4 gun, vents, rammer and gun laying drive). This is KV territory performance folks, it's just as good for me. I am not a very good player, just above average, but the T-34 works for me. The thing that is the most important for this tank is to have a good crew (mine is a veteran from the IS3, and it has 3 secondary skills, with firefighting at 75%). If you want to utilize the full ROF from more than point blank range, you absolutely need gun laying drive. You can fire on the move, but its not that accurate and the tank is not very agile to circle much (you want a troll circling machine, get the M7, that is very fun too, cause its much faster and more agile, but the guns on it are kinda weak, so you cant really snipe and  you are forced into this style of play). If the T-34 had the agility and the speed of the M7 I would call it T50-2, right? (btw, the gun on T-34 fires much faster than the one on T50-2, its 30 RPM compared to 24 RPM) The best way to use it is to rush to a flanking spot and pump them full of 57mm love. The nice thing is that targets don't run when you take only 80 dmg per shot, but after 3 or 4 they realize too late that they are dead. Honestly, this is much better than the french amx 12t, cause it has about the same gun that fires continuosly and not with the reload. I would say Pz4 is better as a tier 5 med, but i like the T-34 much more.
Compared to the KV it gets MUCH better matchmaking (tier 8 max, never tier 9), and tier 8 is still quite OK, cause you have the speed to run when shit hits the fan and the ability to flank. The 57mm can penetrate reliably ALL sides and rears of the tanks you face. So you can make a big difference in all the games you get into. When you are top tier and the team doesn't die in 2 minutes you can pretty much roflstomp the enemy team before they know what hit them. You dont get that much credits as in the KV maybe, but the ammo is practically free and you get bigger profits. Repairs are 3000 max.
Don't bash on a tank before 100 battles at least, cause you don't know what it can do. T-34, love you forever.

DanteDarkstar #45 Posted 23 February 2012 - 06:36 PM

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From my experience (and that's my most used tank), the T-34 is a nice tank to play. Let me explain why:
1.Great gun. ZiS-4 57mm is a relatively small-calibre gun, but it has monstrous firing speed, that puts its DPM higher than Tiger II. It's also exceedingly accurate and has fast aiming time. The only thing it misses sorely is alpha damage, so peek-a-boo is a bad idea.
2.All-around armor. While 45mm armor isn't too much, it's well sloped and you have the same 45mm on your ass as on the front, which means you don't need to be paranoid about where the enemy is shooting you. Either they have gun that can penetrate you so it doesn't really matter, or they have gun that dings you, so it doesn't really matter. In any case, being attacked from the wrong side isn't that much of a problem.
3.Very fast turret. The upgraded turret has phenomenal 56 deg/sec turning speed, one of highest if not the highest in the game. This spells doom to any foolish scout trying to circle you. You can usually follow the target even if it's t-50 trying to zoom past you. I remember only one instance in over 1k battles where I actually had to turn the hull to keep up with the enemy t-50-2 (I think, maybe just t-50) foolishly trying to circle me, and that was because it apparently had skilled crew and I was "behind" at the start in the "turning contest".
4.Mobile. While it's nowhere near the speed of t-50 or fast light tanks, it's still fast, reliably achieving 50km/h or even full 55 with skilled crew. It also has good traverse.

Overall, the gun (1), armor (2) and turret (3) make it into a tank that is excellent at taking on light tanks and those of lower tiers. You can just drive up and kill them while they futilely try to outdamage or outmanouver you. It is also very hard to efficiently ambush you, since you can respond (with accurate fire) to an attack from any angle in less than 4 seconds.
In higher tier games I find myself quite efficient as defense against scouts, since rate of fire, turret traverse and accuracy allow me to hit them repeatedly. If not, flanking potshots from long distances are effective, as the ZiS-4 has enough penetration to hurt even tier8 tanks from the side, despite small caliber.

All in all I would say very good tank. The only thing I miss when driving it is alpha. Unfortunately, 57mm is not optional. The other "best" gun is atrociously slow-firing (12 vs 30! rof), while having only a bit higher alpha (115 vs 85 dam).

Honeybadger251 #46 Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:10 AM

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Whenever im in my T-34, i like to laugh at AMX's. They can fire 6 shots ridiculously fast and then have to wait 40 seconds to reload... i can empty my entire ammo rack at the enemy with more or less the same rate of fire.

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Seriously guys ?

I got one today, make a few battle with, crew 75%, I got all the stuff on hit, track, engine, turret, zis-4

First why the hell is that a medium tank ? It doesn't turn well, and it accelerate slower than my T1 HT ! The only way to think that this thing could be a medium tank is to play it after a KV ! I've see a StugIII climbing a hill faster than me !

And the so awesome pen of the gun yeah, i got like 10 or 12 shot on a T29 hull, nothing get through, 4 shot on a Pz4, only 2 get through! I even got a "that didn't go through" on an AMX 13 75 ... which kill me in the time i make him 150 damage ! woaw awesome !

And the rate of fire talk about it, you aim slower than you reload, so if you fire at full RoF, at something like 150 meters you got half the bullet in the wind !

So what ? You could kill a KV with it ? and ? I have kill tons of KV with Hetzer, Su 76, T-28 ... there's nothing marvelous about it, anyone who got a gun with 100 pen could beat a KV, it's slower than a stone, and blind as a mole.

Well, maybe i'm a bit piss off, and i'm gonna take a few more days of playing with this tank before deciding if i sell it or not ... but now i know why i've never feared to face a T-34 on any tank i've ever drive ... 'cause it's a bad tank who seems to only get his RoF to save his crappy ass

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Imho all the excitement auround T-34-57 is just an urban legend.

It is:
- slow
- sluggish
- weakly armored
- badly armed

Maybe there are some players able to be constantly successful in that tank, but overall it's just weak and a elite PzIV or M4 will beat the crap out of it anywhere and anytime.
ZiS4 may be fast but suffers badly under loss of kinetic energy over distance. MM puts you into tier 8 battles where your lousy 85HP dmg just makes the enemy laugh out loud.
And please - dont tell me about DPM - we talk about tier 8 battles where the top tanks can 1-shot you - so you simply dont have the opportunity to use your high RoF.

If you wanna enjoy the ZiS4 go with T-28. T-34 ingame is just historically correct - scrap sacrificed to draw off the attention from real tanks.

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View PostAbusemtex76, on 27 February 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Imho all the excitement auround T-34-57 is just an urban legend.

It is:
- slow
- sluggish
- weakly armored
- badly armed

Maybe there are some players able to be constantly successful in that tank, but overall it's just weak and a elite PzIV or M4 will beat the crap out of it anywhere and anytime.
ZiS4 may be fast but suffers badly under loss of kinetic energy over distance. MM puts you into tier 8 battles where your lousy 85HP dmg just makes the enemy laugh out loud.
And please - dont tell me about DPM - we talk about tier 8 battles where the top tanks can 1-shot you - so you simply dont have the opportunity to use your high RoF.

If you wanna enjoy the ZiS4 go with T-28. T-34 ingame is just historically correct - scrap sacrificed to draw off the attention from real tanks.

Can't help but disagree with you entirely. While the T-34 is not 'historically correct', not many other tanks are either. It does 55 km/h over the 51 km/h of the T-44 and has similar traverse speed. Hit the right areas of the tanks and it's 57 ZiS4 is as deadly as anything else. I've taken on Elite Panzer IV's without taking a hit as the mobility and the sloped armour of the T-34 protect me. I've even killed a Panzer VI Tiger and a T29 with it. Practise makes perfect.

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View PostNevanca, on 27 February 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Can't help but disagree with you entirely. While the T-34 is not 'historically correct', not many other tanks are either. It does 55 km/h over the 51 km/h of the T-44 and has similar traverse speed. Hit the right areas of the tanks and it's 57 ZiS4 is as deadly as anything else. I've taken on Elite Panzer IV's without taking a hit as the mobility and the sloped armour of the T-34 protect me. I've even killed a Panzer VI Tiger and a T29 with it. Practise makes perfect.

I totaly agree..the ZIS4 makes a beast of T-34 and it's real fun to play.

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Replay or it didn't happen.

Anthoniusii #52 Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:20 PM

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I had real fun with T-34-57mm gun untill 0.0.67 patch when :
The 57mm gun considered the main factor to matchmaker (the matchmaker made T-34 a scout than a medium) in battles with tier 8,9,10 tanks.
It remained weaker than T-50 (by 100 hit points).
The entrance in game of Type 59 that participated in battles with tier 5 tanks made the game unenjoyable.

Shortcake #53 Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:07 AM

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it gets bad match making, everything else about it is funky imo. limited hitpoints but that's cos you got the speed. lovely tank, bad match making like a tier 4 light scout tank - i'd buy another if they sort that out.

Edit: didn't read that by Anthoniusii - it would be a +1 from me but i've been arse kissing all day and I reached my quota

I'll also buy another one when they finally do the 'historic battles' that i've been reading about since about, oh i dont know lets say, the last 8 months?

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View PostNevanca, on 27 February 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Can't help but disagree with you entirely. While the T-34 is not 'historically correct', not many other tanks are either. It does 55 km/h over the 51 km/h of the T-44 and has similar traverse speed. Hit the right areas of the tanks and it's 57 ZiS4 is as deadly as anything else. I've taken on Elite Panzer IV's without taking a hit as the mobility and the sloped armour of the T-34 protect me. I've even killed a Panzer VI Tiger and a T29 with it. Practise makes perfect.


Yeah - i can easily get pwn'd in my PzIV with upgraded turret -  by a T34 doing the circle of death

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View PostShortcake, on 29 February 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Yeah - i can easily get pwn'd in my PzIV with upgraded turret -  by a T34 doing the circle of death

True... if T-34 will get close enough or if it catch PzIV from side...
There can be only one winner here. 85 damage that easily penetrates PzIV with 2 seconds reload time - tough thing.

HorneT2011 #56 Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:23 AM

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The problem with t-34 is that people often uses med as heavy tank, as it works on german tank form tire 6 (vk3601, panther etc).
For Russians tanks it dosent work t-34 is quick mover, i rush kill and then disappear, today i've even killed a panther with L100 so it must mean something, simple spined it just like heavy :)

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View PostMotorozo, on 31 January 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Just to make things clear:
You are not talking about T34.
T34 is a heavy US tank.
The one you are talking about is T-34 a soviet medium tank.



It is not T-34...It is T-34/76 or T-34/57 (if you use the 57mm gun)  then mod 1940, 41, 42, 43, 44.

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T-34 has paper armor and as a tier 5 gets abused by MM.  The zis won't do jack against all the tier 6, 7, 8 you will see.  Plus - same gun is available for T-28 at tier 4.  At that tier you at least have a fighting chance to get some kills and have some fun versus being fodder.

I have over 200 battles in the T-34 but only a 50% win rate and the avg dmg/match is lousy.  I decided to remount the 76.  At least you can hurt things a bit more with that gun in the runs MM forces you into.

The T-28 with the 57 is a lot of fun so if thats what you are looking for I advise you elite that tank.

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View PostT3043, on 02 March 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

It is not T-34...It is T-34/76 or T-34/57 (if you use the 57mm gun)  then mod 1940, 41, 42, 43, 44.
Since you're going to be picky, I'll correct you. When you buy the T-34 Tier 5 U.S.S.R Medium Tank you are buying the T-34/76 Model 1940. You can then upgrade it to the Model 1942 (Turret) with the 1942 76mm S-54; which in turn makes it the T-34/76 Model 1942. You can also change from the 76mm to the 57mm ZiS-4, making it the T-34/57, which was useable on both 1940 and 1942 models.

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I had a wicked round in my little T-34/57 yesterday. Fired 54 rounds before we won the match (4 left). I think I was both Top Gun and Confederate (I have to double check once I get to the gaming comp.) -- A little optimistic, just Top Gun, only 4 dmg in addition so no Confederate...----
Took down 2 KV's and spread terror with the little sniping machine gun. T5 matches with the T-34 is just pure fun.

I'll try to upload a replay once I get home (If I find somewhere to upload it to..)

Found one:

http://www.2shared.c...S/shot_035.html
http://www.2shared.c...j/shot_034.html
http://www.2shared.c...-34_westfe.html




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