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Basardius #41 Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:44 PM

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Lorraine sucks at stock but when its elited it a really good tank.

Seronimos #42 Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:22 AM

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So dont forget tha a Nerf will fuck the medkiums pretty hard. So it will b either:
- ROF get changed, but then the reload needs to get changed drasticaly.. same when the dmg get nerfed... so its not a nerf actually its a change to make it more balance.

-when tehy rly nerf the dmg or some kind of it the mediums/lights need something else to compare for it.. i think more armore would be nice when teh french start to lack dmg

so u just think it get nerfed? i dont think so coz this would make the french so weak that rly nobody would play them anylonger. and somebody who never played 13 90, lorrain or batchat shouldnt post in this thread as tehy rly dont know how it is to sit close to an enemy when u have to reload or when everyhsot penerates and kills modules and crew members.


so before posting something about nerf or buff.. play them. if u havent played anyone of this tanks ur cvomments are useless

Jackson_Paradies #43 Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:21 PM

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in comparison to the great AMX 13 90 the Lorraine indeed sucks.

lorraine simply doesnt fit the medium line

amx 13 75, amx 13 90, bat chat nearly the same tank but lorraine... well another story

Al3xander #44 Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:38 PM

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I just got the batchat after upgrading the lorraine fully, and will try to give you a few tips about playing the fully upgraded lorraine:

Disadvantages:
- Big profile for a medium tank
- Different play-stile compared to AMX 13
- Practically no armor, arty hits penetrate 90% of the time
- Big reload timer (59 seconds) with the last cannon

Advantages:
- Huge damage potential
- Perfect against solo targets
- Pretty mobile when fully upgraded

So, how does this sum up in game-play?

- The tank is not to be played like a medium tank. If you are in the front lines you will be the first one to die.
The trick of playing this tank is to act like a sniper, and support depending on the situation.
You are extremely good at picking up solo targets (1v1 you can kill any other tier 8), but against multiple threats you are very vulnerable, and you should approach a group of enemies very carefully.
Keep in mind that you should avoid sniping in clear spots if there is enemy artillery in the enemy team. Most of it's hits will penetrate you, and almost everything tier 6 or more will 1shot you.
The tank is also good for taking some strategic positions fast (but forget about getting the hill on mines every time, because of your big reload timer)

- If you adapt your play-stile to this tank, I'm sure you will have success with it (i ended with 60% win ratio after 260 matches with this tank).

Arkhell #45 Posted 03 March 2012 - 06:13 PM

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View PostReplica, on 02 February 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

does lorraine sucks or not coz every time i ask ppl they say its crap and stuff like that =.=

got it yesterday, not at last engine yet but i can honestly say... it;s frigging AWESOME! really it's just frigging insanely fun.

HanniRF #46 Posted 03 March 2012 - 06:40 PM

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View PostAgent_Smithx2, on 03 February 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

extremely maneuverable with the last engine

That's the thing. It has 3 effin engines to research! Almost 80k EXP!!! On top of that, not single one of those engines will be useful for the BatChat!

Darksoul79 #47 Posted 10 March 2012 - 08:02 PM

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Every battle (I mean really every) my ammorack gets damaged with first shot and after that , this "tank" is just a 40t of junk.

minirhyder #48 Posted 11 March 2012 - 05:31 AM

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What's a good upgrade order for the Lorry?
I already have the 90mm DCA 45 gun researched (via ARL). What should be next? Tracks? 100mm? Engine?


View Post_Muody_, on 03 March 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

That's the thing. It has 3 effin engines to research! Almost 80k EXP!!! On top of that, not single one of those engines will be useful for the BatChat!

I only hope one of those engines will be compatible with the future TD/Arty lines.

Cobra6 #49 Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:11 AM

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View PostReplica, on 02 February 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

does lorraine sucks or not coz every time i ask ppl they say its crap and stuff like that =.=

If you like the AMX75 this is a larger version if you mount the 90mm
If you like the AMX90 this is a larger version if you mount the 100mm

This tank does in no way suck, it's quite great actually :)

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Vahal #50 Posted 11 March 2012 - 05:30 PM

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all researches of Lorry are mainly for mobility so engineS and suspension. You don't really need the 100SA47 (long realod time intrabarillet and deadly long reload of barillet (50s...) but you need at least the third engine and of course enhanced tracks.

molan1976 #51 Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:39 PM

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Lorraine gave me the highest win-ratio I ever had playing this game, it was 65% for the Lorraine (I don't count any tank I haven't played for as lest 150 battles).

I am a normal player so 65% is great, and it's show that Lorraine is OP for it's MM. Batchat is a better tank, but get worse MM, hence lees win-ratio as a consequence.

Convict411 #52 Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:47 PM

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I like it alot.
After 200 battles 75%+ winrate, 900+xp/battle and 1500+ damage/battle. I can't say its a bad tank.

Downside, EVERY single shot that hits you damages a module or kills a crewmember. Turret jammed is the most common one along with fires and ammorack hits. The reload on the 100mm is also a bit over the top with its 49 seconds.
And there will be fights that you say wtf, I'm dead and I did not even get a shot off.

Use your mobility, when you see a tank fire a shell pop out and fire 2 to 3 shells before he is reloaded. If he is alone circle him and empty half your clip in him. Learn how to pick on single tanks and don't drive into a place when you can't get out of. Place your shots, bouncing is lethal because unlike any other tank if you bounce your last shot you won't get a second chance, your 49 second reload is long enough for a little type 50-2 to kill you.

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View PostConvict411, on 13 March 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

After 200 battles 75%+ winrate, 900+xp/battle and 1500+ damage/battle. I can't say its a bad tank.

75% winrate kinda proves my point, that the tank is OP.

Dragonite #54 Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:17 AM

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In many tanks im experiencing those nasty "lose streaks" (5, 10, 12 games lost in row), Loarrine is my first tank in what im having... "wins streaks". Personal record is 14 wins in row  :Smile-hiding:

mach82 #55 Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:46 AM

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View Postmolan1976, on 13 March 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

75% winrate kinda proves my point, that the tank is OP.
One player's statistics don't prove anything. Global win ratio can only be taken into account. Looking at your stats (e.g. JagdTiger 37% win ratio), WG would have to buff this tanks by 50% ...and also nerf JagdPziV, for which you have win ratio of 56%.

While talking about your stats in Lorraine, you forgot to mention that you used a lot of free exp (you have batchat after playing only 158 battles in Lorraine, and also IS4 after playing 44 IS3 battles, AMX 13 90 after only 26 battles in AMX 13 75 ...) and also forgot to pentionion platooning which also increases win ratio. If you played the normal way, I think you could have some valid point here, but when you convert so much EXP ...

lokkagutt #56 Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:15 AM

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View Postmach82, on 16 March 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

One player's statistics don't prove anything. Global win ratio can only be taken into account. Looking at your stats (e.g. JagdTiger 37% win ratio), WG would have to buff this tanks by 50% ...and also nerf JagdPziV, for which you have win ratio of 56%.

While talking about your stats in Lorraine, you forgot to mention that you used a lot of free exp (you have batchat after playing only 158 battles in Lorraine, and also IS4 after playing 44 IS3 battles, AMX 13 90 after only 26 battles in AMX 13 75 ...) and also forgot to pentionion platooning which also increases win ratio. If you played the normal way, I think you could have some valid point here, but when you convert so much EXP ...

1 players stats dont prove anything, but lets be honest. This thing is a beast when you mount the 100 mm gun. Its been a while since I had it, but its the easiest tank ive ever played. And my tank with highest average xp. And I didnt even bother eliting it as it is just that good that it doesnt really need it. If I was going to decide for WG which of the french tanks that would need a nerf this would be the 1 tank id single out without a doubt. This lead to a very fast and enjoyable grind though  :Smile_honoring:

mach82 #57 Posted 16 March 2012 - 03:00 PM

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when you play it stock, it's horrible - slow, no armour, below average gun. With the 2nd 90mm gun and upgraded gun and tracks, it feels much better and seems almost as good as a 100% upgraded T-44. When fully upgraded, it's the best tier 8 medium but also it's easiest to be killed and due to almost non-existent gun depression it's usually exposed to the enemy fire. Lorraine 40t provides much pleasere while playing fully upgraded, but it's definitely one of the most demanding tank in the game - a bad player will die very fast.

CritiCal057s #58 Posted 16 March 2012 - 03:23 PM

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never engage a hill were they are a bunch of amx 75 or 90,they ll rip you apart......stay away from those tanks,two of them can and will kill you if they see you,that's free exp for them
other then that you are fine ;)

Mr_Sukebe #59 Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:49 PM

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Have to say that I've been struggling with the Lorry.  Probably a combination of bad tactics on my part and people learning how to deal with them.  Going to stuff the 100mm on it to see if that helps, as I've just bounced on the rear of an E75 with the 90mm.

Mr_Sukebe #60 Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:55 PM

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Just added the 100mm gun to the Lorry.  Does make it a little more effective.  For all that, load times are bonkers long and it's incredibly expensive to run.  On a win, lucky if I break even.  Just been in a lost game and it cost...18,000 credits to be in that game, i.e. a LOSS of 18,000 credits.  Put it another way, have to have 2-3 reasonable games in my Su85 just to pay for that match.
So, if anyone is reading this and hates Frog tanks, there's your nerf.  It's as expensive as a fully upgraded T54 to run.

Now some will say "but hey, it can do 1800 damage in a burst of 21 seconds".  Sure it can, but then it needs 56 seconds to reload.  Let me put this another way, a full burst/reload cycle is 77 seconds.  During that time, the top T54 gun would be able to fire off close on 11 rounds, or nearly double the DPM.




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