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brick128 #1 Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:27 PM

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In the Q&A Overlord stated that the French will be nerfed.
http://forum.worldof.../page__st__3140

I wonder what they can nerf on these tanks.

Yes six shots with good pen and reasonable damage are awesome. But getting caught with your trousers down while reloading for 50 sec balances that enough I think.

Speed. If the tweak this you have zero means to escape while reloading.

Armor. There's so little armor that there is nothing to remove.

Stats for med win ratio.

1.China: 52.31%
2.USSR: 49.83%
3.France: 49.46%
4.USA: 49.13%
5.Germany: 49.08%

Looking at the stats I wonder why they need to be nerfed.

I think its a bit to early to speak of nerfing them. They are just a month public.

Your thoughts please.

Gal_Ardent #2 Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:33 PM

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+1 it is too early to nerf if needed. We are still on transition (learning curve) after french tank introduction. Let's consider nerf in few months bases on more accurate statistique rather than on people complains...

Good point !

HoboErectus #3 Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:41 PM

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If i remember right, only high tier lights and meds will be "adjusted". And yeah, they seem to be a bit OP, but...

... in my opinion it is, because mostly experienced players play them now. When the less experienced players will start playing with them, these french tanks will seem well balanced or even UP, compared to their counterparts.

I might be wrong though...

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1 reason for nerf the french: 1 on 1 with medium t54 against bat chat...you dont never have a chance against bat chat

why?

take a look on the penetration from the french guns and the shooting ratio and then take a look on the gun from t54...you will see its really unbalanced

6 shots, 6 times penetration!!!

MaGinty #5 Posted 03 February 2012 - 06:58 PM

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Can you fix the link so we can read overlords comments?

Alezul #6 Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:05 PM

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View Postsven6661978, on 03 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

1 reason for nerf the french: 1 on 1 with medium t54 against bat chat...you dont never have a chance against bat chat

Yeah but 1 on 1 with the bat chat reloading, he won't fire a shot...

Have only reached Lorraine but from what i noticed, with a full clip, you can kill any tier 8 medium if all shots do damage. After that, ANY tank in the game can kill you during 40 - 50 seconds.

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View PostAlezul, on 03 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Yeah but 1 on 1 with the bat chat reloading, he won't fire a shot...

Have only reached Lorraine but from what i noticed, with a full clip, you can kill any tier 8 medium if all shots do damage. After that, ANY tank in the game can kill you during 40 - 50 seconds.

any tanks have a normal reload time of 5-8 seconds...the bat chat shoots 6 shots with a high penetration and good damage in around 12 seconds...thats the big different

gazzer21 #8 Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:23 PM

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As for a nerf , up the MM tariff OH wait its maxed out all ready

If people played then instead of crying over them, they would relize you have a 50/50 chance of winning any close combat.
They only seem to remember being raped not killing the would be rape'ist.

the only reason they wont nerf the lower tanks is that they all stink already.

Alezul #9 Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:24 PM

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But then it has 50 seconds reload. You seem to forget about that "little" detail. A tank with practically no armor, can't shoot for 50 seconds.

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View Postsven6661978, on 03 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

1 reason for nerf the french: 1 on 1 with medium t54 against bat chat...you dont never have a chance against bat chat

why?

take a look on the penetration from the french guns and the shooting ratio and then take a look on the gun from t54...you will see its really unbalanced

6 shots, 6 times penetration!!!
So what you say is this.

Because people don't know how to play and go on solo adventures the French tanks are OP?

If I run into a cluster of tanks alone I die to, no matter what tank I drive.

And even in your example the T-54  has a good chance to win.
As where the T-54 penetrates each and every hit the batmobil has a good chance to ding on the T54.

Against a E-50 with e L/100 you don't stand a chance 1 on 1.

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View Postsven6661978, on 03 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

1 reason for nerf the french: 1 on 1 with medium t54 against bat chat...you dont never have a chance against bat chat

why?

take a look on the penetration from the french guns and the shooting ratio and then take a look on the gun from t54...you will see its really unbalanced

6 shots, 6 times penetration!!!

even if the Batchat kills the T-54 he will be left with 300-500 HP or just one single ding and the BatChat is dead meat. And hell its damn easy to ding on a T-54 while moving on the French tanks since its already commonly known that while moving the aiming gets terribly bad.

Tbh I would not go in a 1 on 1 with the T-54 if there would be the chance to avoid such confrontation.

OpCentar #12 Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:33 AM

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Regarding the Lorraine, they can nerf HP, top speed and maybe a bit of penetration/damage on the DCA gun but boost it's mag reload time to compensate. And possibly reducing the tank model in overall size.

I'm talking around 100HP less, 5kph off top speed and 5-10mm penetration or 20HP damage off, BUT in return they MUST buff magazine reload time by 3-8s. IF they nerf penetration/damage without reducing the magazine reload time they will kill the tank.

Don't care about the 100mm, it's too slow for my taste and people please, it's 50s reload time. FIFTY SECONDS! I have no idea how can they nerf it more than that but am sure WG will think of a way (they are good at nerfing things).


As somebody already said, armor is 0. I would srsly lol if they nerfed armor and left something else as it is :D

I wouldn't like if they changed it's battle tier. Also gun accuracy and reload time between shots. And gun elevation/depression. That would ruin the tank for me.

rasfo #13 Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:03 AM

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1:1 in batchat against any med except patton i usualy loose, coz one ding or zero crit. But,1vs3 damaged tanks with around 20"% bat chat is wrecking havoc.

and i think lorr and bat are op.

Torsionierer #14 Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:00 PM

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50 secs reload..., 50 secs reload... as usual something like that come up :D


The point is the others escorting this (e.g 50 120) are lucky when they are able to shot on the enemy before the AMX done all the dmg and got the kill - alone - in this 'team based action mmo'.

And also an exuse about armor is invalid according to bounce-rate and Zero-Hits.

A 105mm with 225 pen have to punch through two 13 75 standing one after another and not 'bounce', 'we didn't even scratch him', *bling*
(While the 13 75 kills my KT)...

pritch #15 Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:03 PM

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No one has mentioned that HE rounds do FULLdamage to French tanks this is a big deal most arty will one shot any french med.

Tbh if they nerf it so quick already its retarded players haven't even had chance to adjust there play style to the new tanks. not to mention all T54 and E50 owners leeroy into the fight assuming they can retreat which isn't the case vs a auto loader, however 6 shots then 50 seconds to reload on the Lorraine in most cases is suicide if you cant run away even then a Type 59 can pump 8-9 rounds into your tank with out you being able to fire back people for get that the ROF is still also 3seconds between each round

and I agree that most people that have the high tier French tanks are experienced players... I for one played them a awful lot on the test server when they came out there are mega fun but require a total different play style to any other race there no i win tank like the T54 used to be....

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I think they should give the French tanks a couple of months before they start to evaluate their win ratio. ATM there are two types of people riding the high tier French,
- got lots of free XP from other tanks
- got lots of XP in the french tech tree
both are people that play a lot and therefore have naturally higher win ratio which is applied to the tank.

I hope wg has some patience and let the common gamer affect the win ratio before they swing the nerf bat :)

panzerknackers #17 Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

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Imo. I dont think a nerf is needed, and agree with whats already been said about it. They would only be op if we had the same armor as the rest of the tier 8 and 9s and the same reload speed as are little cousin amx 12ts and 75s. But people gonna whine about it still after the fact anyways.

Torsionierer #18 Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:46 PM

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Anyway - most time in match you are moving and ('tactically') waiting...

-> You're shooting on enemy
-> driving back in cover and hiding
-> the cannonade (professional) enemies won't drive in Front of you cause they don't know what else hiding there ...

But you are waiting what's coming next either way - so this 1 minute reload can't be adduct as balance...

You also have to care of the Hitpoints - they can be suited with 10mm armor - when they got eg. 4250 HP and additionally able to escape enemies Cannon easily, they aren't afraid about 1 minute reload...

This "don't nerf it" Posts shows why the public tests are useless (for balancing) - players X,Y,Z have fun with tanks A,B,C -> "balancing ok" no sign they altercate with.

Mitchverr #19 Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:52 AM

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Alot of dun goofing in this thread.

They are fine, i aint saying it because i drive the French tanks and get set on fire every 3-4 shells hitting me (yeah, deal with that 1 being op lol) or my ammo rack being hit every 4-5 hits (or even every other hit sometimes) making my reload time 90 seconds, or a crew member dying increasing reload time aswell, so yeah, the reload time is enough to make me think twice, because any module/crew hits will dramatically give me problems.

And seriously guys? Seriously? Learn to fight them, dont whine they are OP because you refuse too. I take out french tanks easily with my tanks (IE KV-5, T28 TD, my IS could take them too) and why? Because i know how the french tanks work, and they are not OP, its a mind trick that makes you fight less effectively against them thinking they are OP, its hiding your inability to learn and adapt.

Squadman45 #20 Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:57 AM

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In this game movility is the last thing i want as advantage in a heavy... i want armor (french tanks dont have it meds to) and firepower (heavies are bad armed and meds with his long reloading time are... apart that bat chat only have 30 shells, less than Type... 100mm is a great gun but you survive less than a T-54 or a Patton), in a med movility is important but you need something more to exploit it, be penetrated by T-50s is a little...

Other thing is that you are food for arty, in 13 battles in batchat i eat 2 oneshooted by arty, 1.6000hp hits are... specially when you are not camping, a batchat moving is free xp on tracks (Lorraine is worst).

The only advantage in french meds is that if they catch you in open you are f****d but apart this in other situation that is not ambushing or doing vulture job are weak, cant stop a single shoot.

Nerf french tanks.... WTF are they going to reduce??? i expect dont see another "balance" like in the E-75, add more unusefull armor with more weight killing the tank agility.




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