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Fruzzle #21 Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:12 PM

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View PostLoofah, on 16 February 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Why do I doubt this?
I mean, yeah, HE penetrates 63mm vertical armor but bat-chat is heavily ANGLED 50mm armor and HE gets no normalisation.
I would be very happpy if someone using OTM mod posted some screenshots where BC is getting penetrated frontally by HE, because my lorraine for example isn't, even though many people keep telling me it is. Same with my AMX 13 90 - I laugh at people shooting me with HE, yeah, in theory it should go through... in theory.

If you have BatChat, my OTM is working :Smile-playing:

Loofah #22 Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:13 PM

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View PostFruzzle, on 16 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

If you have BatChat, my OTM is working :Smile-playing:

Nay, I don't want to spend my hard earned silver on another tank that is going to get terribly nerfed :P

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Agh... one game got him down to 4%, one to 7%, and the other hit him at 14% for a 0 damage critical. So close...

Sille #24 Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:29 AM

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a bat mobil that is played whit equal skill as the patton will always win even when the patton is in a hulldown postion, atleast my patton turret never had that amazing bounce stats even chaffes can shoot true it...and my bat mobil has never had problems penetrating pattons anywhere=(.

There is 1 way for pattons to win if they run into a bat mobil whit its clip reload, but they are faster and more agile so they will most likly run awey.

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View PostLoofah, on 16 February 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Why do I doubt this?
I mean, yeah, HE penetrates 63mm vertical armor but bat-chat is heavily ANGLED 50mm armor and HE gets no normalisation.
I would be very happpy if someone using OTM mod posted some screenshots where BC is getting penetrated frontally by HE, because my lorraine for example isn't, even though many people keep telling me it is. Same with my AMX 13 90 - I laugh at people shooting me with HE, yeah, in theory it should go through... in theory.

I noticed that with KV-1S against Lorraine with 122mm derp gun. He was fighting some KT and I shot him 3 times, 2 in turret and 1 in hull. All shots made full dmg and critical and it's turret was stuck after first shot. I have AMX 13 90 and I will rather take shot from Tiger's long 88 than from Sherman's short 105mm gun because HE shots always destroy some module and kill some crew member. Mostly turret and engine receive dmg. Commander dies more often than IS-4 driver.

Sille #26 Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:18 PM

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the only tanks who can easly penetrate the Bat mobil whit he is T95 obj 704 T30 and E100.

turbo_kmet #27 Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

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Hehehe its just silly what a HE round of e 100 does does to the batmobile, also on another note I saw 2 KV derp guns hitting the amx 50-120 in the side and getting him to less then 20% hp for him to be to be killed by a very angry king tiger driver :D (oh that would be little oh me after getting 2 shots in my side from the same frenchy).
I started using HE on aggainst all french tanks and works like a charm in 1-1 especially if you aim at some non angled parts like the bottom of the turret or if you see sides then its by by daisy for the french (I even do this if I see it with the long 88 switch to HE and watch him squirm).

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but the OP has some point. The general idea behind the tanktrees was
German: TANK (heavy armor and even more heavy armor)
Russian: all around tank whit close range advantage
American: Damage from second line, together whit some "dirty tricks" (like hull down, gun depression)

Now the french come and...they have the same basic job: damage from second line. And they are better in that aspect than the american tanks (as long as their magazine is full)
The only advantage you have in your patton over a batchat (or in a t30 over a amx 50B) are those "dirty tricks" and they are highly situational.
Additionaly they get somewhat countered by the french speed, which allow them to just retreat when you are fortunate enough to run in them at a place where your tricks would actualy work.

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Kinda circle of mediums. Usually I see on battlefields something like this:
  • BatChat usually wins against M46 Patton;
  • E-50 usually wins against BatChat;
  • M46 Patton usually wins against E-50;
  • T-54 is average against all Tier IX mediums.


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Patton dosent usally win against E50s..... and my bat mobil  usally dosent lose to E50s....

Loofah #31 Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:23 PM

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View PostYamaxanadu, on 18 February 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Kinda circle of mediums. Usually I see on battlefields something like this:
  • BatChat usually wins against M46 Patton;
  • E-50 usually wins against BatChat;
  • M46 Patton usually wins against E-50;
  • T-54 is average against all Tier IX mediums.

You mean: E50 usually gets pounded to 300 health and then it "conquers" the hill only to get killed by arty 5s later while BatChat returns to actio 35s later with 50+% of his health left?
Because that happens when I'm fighting E50 with lorraine, and for some reason I doubt BC does way better than lorr (I have reduced the time accordingly and adjusted the health left).
Also remember that f.e. on Malinovka BC will spot E50 on his way up, so E50 gets shot in  the face by arty before it even reaches destination.
E50 can't keep heavy scarred behind corner because at T9 nobody is scared of 390dmg alpha with 220 penetration while a perspective of getting penetrated 6 times for 300 in around 12,5s is really frightening. And 232 penetration is usually enough to go through angled E75 or IS4 reliably, while 220 penetration is like a gentle tickling to heavy's armor (really, I love when non-french meds shoot my E75's angled front from the distance, the feeling of being invincible and the sound of shots bouncing just announces the incoming steel wall).

EDIT: I also doubt Patton wins easily against E50 -- E50 shoots Patton anywhere while Patton has a good chance of getting a bounce. So it kind of evens out.

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View PostSille, on 18 February 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Patton dosent usally win against E50s..... and my bat mobil  usally dosent lose to E50s....

Nope you are correct. We win more or less every time. Cant remember last time i was killed by a E50 in my Patton. Easiest opponent of the tier 9 meds. T 54s arent very hard to counter either obviosly, but the Bat is a bit harder. It kinda depends who get the upper hand and starts the engagement and has the initial advantage of position and ofc supprise is always nice ;)

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I waited...
Bat came from behind building and I shot him.
As I rushed for cover his first shot detracked me.
Epilogue was not fun.

Did not meet too many of those yet (and when I did I usually got killed by that IS4/7 behind them), but that one time was... unforgetable.

Lito #34 Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:58 PM

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Dont want to make another topic so will ask you guys here, cause you are here mostly medium players.

I am playing only TD"s, I want to get into more dynamic battles. I will use free XP to get into the specific line further, so my question is which should I go for - E-50, Patton or Batchat? Please some arguments. (And no I dont want T-54)

I was planning to go for Patton, thats why im partially asking here.

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I finally got the damn thing fragged with my Patton for my Master Tanker award :)

View PostLito, on 19 February 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Dont want to make another topic so will ask you guys here, cause you are here mostly medium players.

I am playing only TD"s, I want to get into more dynamic battles. I will use free XP to get into the specific line further, so my question is which should I go for - E-50, Patton or Batchat? Please some arguments. (And no I dont want T-54)

I was planning to go for Patton, thats why im partially asking here.

I play pretty much only American tanks so can recommend them. I had similar path, started off with TDs and moved to mediums. Now I play them both regularly. I think you can probably find comparison in the "Vehicle comparison" forum, and there is some comparison in the pinned topic about Patton. I like it, in top configuration, especially with the top gun, it is a dangerous enemy. Have a look at the pinned topic, I think you will find the discussion useful.

Edit: here's a comparison topic: http://forum.worldof...topic=75039&st=

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View PostLito, on 19 February 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

I was planning to go for Patton, thats why im partially asking here.

got patton recently, rly dissapointed. After playing Bat-Chat i cannot force myself to find where Patton is better. With T-54 I can still enjoy games as it is "hard to pen medium" but Patton is not different to BatChat in terms of armor and i did not find any good reason to rly play it....

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View Postrasfo, on 20 February 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

got patton recently, rly dissapointed. After playing Bat-Chat i cannot force myself to find where Patton is better. With T-54 I can still enjoy games as it is "hard to pen medium" but Patton is not different to BatChat in terms of armor and i did not find any good reason to rly play it....

You have it fully upgraded? Cause otherwise Patton is crap. Stock Patton has to be the worst stock tank I played. But fully upgraded is a different story. Armor is not too good, that's true, but then again you get used to that playing American tanks. I can recommend Pershing in that regard, same armor as Patton, but a tier lower tank. Very good armor for a medium, got me several steel walls.

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View Postdeveen23, on 20 February 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

You have it fully upgraded? Cause otherwise Patton is crap. Stock Patton has to be the worst stock tank I played. But fully upgraded is a different story. Armor is not too good, that's true, but then again you get used to that playing American tanks. I can recommend Pershing in that regard, same armor as Patton, but a tier lower tank. Very good armor for a medium, got me several steel walls.

yep fully upgraded. I dont have problems to play tanks that are different likemy favorit Chafee. But I dont see any use of Patton over other meds. And compared to Bat it is just trash... was just waste of free XP for me.

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I like the sweet accuracy and penetration of E-50, but I like the small speed loss of Patton when racing trough the city, however max speed doesnt cut it.

480m view range of Patton is awesome though.

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I'm always careful about judging a tank. If it doesn't work for me, it doesn't mean it's no good... I really like Patton, though it can be tough to play it since you routinely play against 7-8 heavies and couple of arties, and your armor is underwhelming. And I would say you fairly depend on your heavy teammates, if they suck you're toasted. Otherwise it can be quite fun, especially if you get into flanking, maneuverable style of play.