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M24 Chaffee vs. French LT5 - LT7


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azakow #1 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:13 AM

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Is the Mini Patton out classed and made obsolete by the French light tanks of tier 5 - tier 7?

What are your thoughts on this subject?
I'm asking, to have a seperate topic for this, since some of it has been mentioned elsewhere before, which was off topic IMO.

MechaSheep #2 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:18 AM

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I hope not :D
Halfway with grinding the chaffee

crool009 #3 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:34 AM

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i have a rammer on my chaffee and have found it is nearly a fast reloading even against the french six shot .

IamSalvation #4 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:40 AM

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Chaffee is at least as good as AMX 13-75 if played well.

Its by FAR better than AMX 12t, even if played bad ;)

Addi64 #5 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:41 AM

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well if you are forced into a combat gameplay instead of scouting ... for example on himmelsdorf ... the T5 is no match for the pattong.
The T6 is harder but doable. If he can't kill you with his first magazine he is toast. vs. the T7 you usually don't stand a chance.

scoutwise there is not much of a difference. you still see your 500m and you are still sitting undetected in a bush ;) The only advantage of the T7 is, that it has a better gun and almost twice your HP. but when it comes to pure scouting, it is still fine.

The only thing you have to keep in mind when bushscouting is, that your position is in danger more often when there are lots of french fries on the other team. so you are not save at very offensive scout spots. pick a more conservative spot with room to retreat if you can and it should be fine.

the T5 scout is far worse than the chaffee
the T6 is en pair
the T7 is better ... but remember he will ONLY see high tier games, whilst you still can encounter lots of games where you can really hurt people ;)

I don't think they messed up the chaffee gameplay. also most of them are not really played as a scout because the majority of the people are still thinking they are playing a medium tree and driving them as such ;)

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View Postcrool009, on 17 February 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

i have a rammer on my chaffee and have found it is nearly a fast reloading even against the french six shot .

now that's a good idea ... not
SHooting every 1,8 seconds instead of 2? rather take binos, cents and optics or a camonet. even a stabilizer would be a better choice than a rammer imo since if you are shooting, you usually do so on the move :)

Rick_O_Shee #7 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:44 AM

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I feel it is like stated .But point is that french lihgt tanks are not chaffee enemy, they are trying to find bigger targets because chaffee is not threat to them. only amx12t have similar capability, but chaffee is capable of killing it solo due of its advantages like better gun and traversal. If amx13 focus on you it will eat chaffee alive. Fortunately while playing chaffee I'm not meeting to many french...duno why maybe its luck maybe they seek for flat ground while chaffee not.

Spithas #8 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:51 AM

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If the AMX's 13 can afford to stop and aim you have no chance vs them in Chaffee simply because they have tons more HP than you. In a fight where both are moving near max speed Chaffee has the upper hand.

chuao #9 Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:51 AM

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One of the biggest advantage of Chaffee, compared to french lights, is that he is a continuous harasser. With Chaffee you don't have to retreat for reloading and miss oportunities. You just shoot, shoot, shoot  :D

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The French lights are dangerous hunters of the the M24. Even 1 AMX12t concentrating on finding enemy scouts, can make your live nasty. If you are forced into a 1:1 with AMX13-75 and better, you better hope you have lots of room to manouver, as he will kill you otherwise.

saml6131 #11 Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:28 AM

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As a proud driver of the Chaffee, here are my thoughts about the new french tanks (Not just the lights).

Verses the AMX 12 it can usually win. The Chaffee has a better gun and more health.

The AMX 13 75 is a bit more difficult, this tank has more health and a more damaging gun than the Chaffee but at a slower rate of fire. If the Chaffee catches it off guard however, then the Chaffee will win.

The AMX 13 90 is a Chaffee on a really bad day. It has just under twice as much health as a Chaffee whilest still being able to mount the 90mm F3, which can kill the Chaffee in 2-3 shots, or about 6-7 seconds. It would take a Chaffee 8-12 shots to kill it depending on damage rolls. This would take around half a minute of constant fire on the AMX. In other words, if the AMX is loaded, it will win. If it isn't and the Chaffee knows this, then the Chaffee will win.

However, my concerns are not with the light tanks. I'm more curious about the Heavy tanks. The AMX50B (Tier 10 Heavy) can go faster than the Chaffee. A heavy, faster than a light. This is actually the case with most tier 8+ French tanks. Either the french tanks need a speed decrease, or the Chaffee needs a speed increase. Next time someone asks me to scout, I'll say pick the AMX. Its faster and more deadly.

azakow #12 Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

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Oops, I forgot to give my thoughts first.

The French LT make it more difficult for the M24 Chaffee, while being on the same battlefield.
Being in the same team, they are no real thread to the role or game play (spotting/support/kill the lonesome) of the M24 Chaffee. I see them as an good addition, even more if you cooperate with them, lets say in a platoon.

Being in the opponents team they make life harder as said above, speed / movement gives the Chaffee commander an advantage.
My ammo loadout has changed since, 8 HE reserved for French only.

There is a very positive side to it, as more LT being available to the MM now.
The M24 Chaffee is put more often into middle or top third of team rooster, which means a battlefield full of victims. ;)

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I find it is not just fighting the AMX that is a problem, it is the present of AMX on the battlefield.
They come in greater number every day, and swarm around you. Not only are they a direct threat you have to deal with, they expose your position for all other enemy tanks and arty.
I am not so often killed directly by an AMX, but it detects me and engage me, and so it makes me an easy target for all other enemies. My rapid gun is no help when a hummel and IS3 is syncron-shooting with that AMX 12 or 13 or whatever.
Just my thought. :)

BTW, I just sold my Chaffee (5 mins ago). I may miss it, but only on some few maps.

Naluski #14 Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:54 PM

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I went to AMX13 90. It just so much better than Chaffee. It goes faster, gun hurts more, smaller target and view range is same. Also alot of HP makes AMX much more forgiving to drive. One wrong turn with chaffee and you are down. Oh and you get like double credits with AMX13 90.

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The amx 13 90 can be a real meanie, but this is my problem conclusion: Use terrain, agility and fast accelerations & standings well and the AMX will be in big troubles when it have to reload eventually. That's how I usually win those meanies. But it's only 1 vs 1 tactic. The smaller AMX's are quite much easier, but to avoid hp loss, I adapt the above tactic against them too.  :Smile_great:




View PostNaluski, on 17 February 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I went to AMX13 90. It just so much better than Chaffee. It goes faster, gun hurts more, smaller target and view range is same. Also alot of HP makes AMX much more forgiving to drive. One wrong turn with chaffee and you are down. Oh and you get like double credits with AMX13 90.

Did you even read the topic? I think not.  :blink:

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View PostIamSalvation, on 17 February 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Chaffee is at least as good as AMX 13-75 if played well.

Its by FAR better than AMX 12t, even if played bad ;)
This.

Although the AMX's are particularly annoying. Well, in general all small fast tanks with a proper gun are. But with the AMX's swarming around everywhere this is getting more noticeable.

Listy #17 Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:51 PM

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View PostIamSalvation, on 17 February 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Chaffee is at least as good as AMX 13-75 if played well.

Its by FAR better than AMX 12t, even if played bad ;)

While true the Chaffee is better than the AMX-13/75 you're missing the real death knell for the Chaffee.

The AMX gets normal Tier 6 matchmaking and repair costs. So I can either drive an over priced tank in T10 games, or I can play the same tank effect at lower tiers without the punishment.

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View PostListy, on 17 February 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

While true the Chaffee is better than the AMX-13/75 you're missing the real death knell for the Chaffee.

The AMX gets normal Tier 6 matchmaking and repair costs. So I can either drive an over priced tank in T10 games, or I can play the same tank effect at lower tiers without the punishment.

At least I play Chaffee because I enjoy playing it. AMX lacks the most important equipment for my play style: Stabilizer

I never think about costs, even when I'm always a nonpremium player. Tho' I admit Chaffee isn't a rookie's best choice. And I won't get any T10's because I want higher opponents. Some challenge. I haven't bought even any T9's altought I've unlocked many T9's. Same reason.

Volatile_Squirrel #19 Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:19 PM

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AMX 12t and AMX 13/75 are both inferior to Chaffee.

Sadly, AMX 13/90 beats Chaffee in every aspect. Better speed, same maneuverability, double hit points, same view range, smaller and much better gun.
Also AMX makes money, Chaffee does not.
AMX leads to Lorraine, Chaffee is dead end.
And they have same matchmaking.
Other as collectors item there really is no point in researching Chaffee right now (or any other tier 5 light).

I'll keep my Chaffee and continue to play it now and then in hope for brighter tomorrow... which might look something like this: M41

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I dont know about chaffee, but i have absolutely no problem to deal with AMX12t and AMX13t 75 in my T-50-2. Both are made of paper, so all of your hits will penetrate. You can easily outmanouver them, because they have somewhat inaccurate guns and they cant shoot while moving. AMX13t 90 is a problem. It has much bigger hp pool, and gun does a really nasty bite when it hits. I usually deal with AMX13t 90 by running away, if needed.




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