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M24 Chaffee vs. French LT5 - LT7


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Arallaw #41 Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:13 AM

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View Posttheghostcat, on 23 February 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:


Right now its handicapped BECAUSE its a tier 5 light in every respect - it just has move down sides them upsides - made even more evident by the intro of the frog tanks.

I have to disagree. What tank in T5 got such a huge dpm like Chaffee? Over 2,5k damage per minute. There is actually very few tanks in the game with this superior dpm.

del500806504 #42 Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:30 PM

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this is a good comparison because the french light tanks are even more unfair than the Chaffee. He only takes less than 30% damage from a 10,5 HE shell and blows all tanks up to tier 5 to pieces o.O

Arallaw #43 Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:43 AM

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View Postyamifaker, on 27 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

He only takes less than 30% damage from a 10,5 HE shell and blows all tanks up to tier 5 to pieces o.O

Sorry but I didn't understand your point. Could you clarify a bit please?

Tarskin #44 Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:49 AM

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People should also keep in mind that the french AMX13s do not count as light tanks in terms of camo mechanics but as mediums instead, meaning that unlike the chaffee they do not have full camoflage while moving. Therefore in terms of scouting I feel that the chaffee is still superior but in all round performance the AMX13s are equal/better.

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View PostTarskin, on 28 February 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

People should also keep in mind that the french AMX13s do not count as light tanks in terms of camo mechanics but as mediums instead, meaning that unlike the chaffee they do not have full camoflage while moving. Therefore in terms of scouting I feel that the chaffee is still superior but in all round performance the AMX13s are equal/better.

What does the full camoflage while moving means? It's a totally new term for me as a chaffee player. Do you got some facts/sources or is this your guess about the matter?

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Tanks have seperate spotting values for being stationary or moving (supposedly a 20% difference), for the dedicated scouts these values are equal. For the french AMX12t, AMX13-75 and AMX13-90 they are not, I will link some threads/posts below to support this:

Threads about the moving, camo & light tanks (first one is clearest):
http://forum.worldof...nd-light-tanks/
http://forum.worldof...ing-camo-bonus/
http://forum.worldof...r-a-light-tank/

Overlords answer to my question if the french AMX13s have the same bonus to camo while moving as the other 'real' scouts:
http://forum.worldof.../page__st__3940 (page 198, post 3955)

Strangely enough, OL stated that the AMX12t is also considered as a medium, meaning that the french have no dedicated scout tank (like the T-50-2, Chaffee and Vk2801).. *shrug*

theghostcat #47 Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:13 PM

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Well that good to know for a 'scout' stand point.

Perscienter #48 Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:31 PM

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Who knows, if that isn't a myth. Usually, not even the devs know the exact mechanics.

My M24 has the highest average experience out of all vehicles, earns credits without premium and is very accurate. Aim time and accuracy on the move are far better than on the AMXes. I really prefer it over the AMX 13 75. The 13 90 is more of a tier 8 medium, so the comparison is quite odd. The 13 90 has a vehicle weight of 40, Chaffee only 18.

Alezul #49 Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:21 PM

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First of all, why so many compare the chaffee with the amx tanks in a direct fight? Scouts aren't supposed to hunt down other scouts and kill them. Spot them for your team, snipe them from afar, whatever. Even if you win 1 on 1, you now have a broken tank that probably won't be very good for anything(and if you were the chaffee, you now have a terrible repair bill while your victim couldn't care less).

Secondly, the Chaffee became obsolete for me because of one simple reason: Its illogically expensive. It worked before the french lights but now since you can play the amx 75 or amx 90 and actually make good profit even without premium, what's the excuse?

I just can't find any reason why i would play chaffee now with the horrible tier 5 scout profitability. It's not better than the amx 75 to be worth it. Amx 12t doesn't count since it's not good enough for anyone to want to keep it after unlocking next tank. Amx 90 is just a completely different beast with the high damage, long reload, high hitpoints and insane MM value, you can't really compare them i think.

Don't get me wrong, i had 56 matches in the Chaffee and 56 kills, 60% victory rate. I wasn't bad at it, it just became obsolete for me.

Stick to the amx 75, do the same job but actually get rewarded for your troubles.

Pz_kreker #50 Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:04 PM

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i have both amx 75, 90 and chaffee

amx 75 nice fast reload nice no money loss

amx 90 = veruy nice 40 secs is major advandage as is the 2.5 aiming

chaffee i have palyed 54 adn 44% win ratio. today i got 800 and 900 no premium, but also high repairbill.
It reminds me of my patton, also too expensive


chaffee as do all scouts cant have any hit.
second you need more luck then anyother tank

then be as good as u like in t9-10 battles its all about toptiers, and since arty is allmost goneno easy kills to.
maybe pre7.0 players loved it, as they they loved m5,  now it can be nice but sucks up loads of money.

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I actually agree with alezul,

While the Chaffee is still a fun tank to play it just isnt worth it compared to the AMX 13 75. The AMX 13 75 gets better MM, is actually profitable and can do as good (if not better in some cases) with scouting/harassing tanks as the Chaffee.

I really see no reason anymore to play my chaffee with its horrible matchmaking (being thrown in with 5 enemy tier 10's). And dont say you can kill E100's and mauses on your own, thats pure bullshit unless they have an extremely bad team that gives no cover at all. Killing tier 8's is possible but even then it needs to be a really bad tier 8 heavy driver (no scout has ever managed to kill me in my T32 or M103). And the 76mm might be good, but versus tier 9 and 10 (and these are the tanks you will face most) its just a peashooter and you are not going to be doing any damage.

So whats left most of the matches is try and scout and pray you dont get province or any other camp map that guarantees you being useless or dead within 3 mins. I really don't see any use in Tier 5 scouts anymore with the introduction of french tanks. In TC nobody wants tier 5 scouts either since they take up valuable tank slots (tier 8 havy is better than a tier 5 scout + some tier 3 thingy). So all there is left is randoms wich are generally a pain to scout in.

Once again i still find it a fun tank, there just no real use in playing it anymore since im more busy grinding credits to fund the tank than actually enjoying it.

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The AMX12t is food for the Chaffee, even with the autoloader it loses in slugging matches due to similar damage and RoF but less HP, and the Chaffee is more mobile. The Chaffee is one tier ahead in terms of MM.

The 13 75 has more HP and far superiour damage output, but is less zippy and agile- fair fight.

The 13 90 is extremely dangerous.

The Chaffee is still a better scout, but in terms of 1 on 1 combat the tier VI+ Frenchies are usually stronger.

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The 12t is in no way a problem for the chaffe, keep the distance large enough (100 meters is enough) and it wont even hit you.

the 1375 is tougher, i would say in 1on1 combat they are equal. It does need a lot of experience to beat it without loosing too much health in your chaffee, again range helps alot (chaffee aimtime is just perfect!).

The 1390 is a bugger, engaging it headon is certain death when its loaded.
Still the chaffe is able to get them down once they are empty becase you are actually fast and agile enough to chase them and kill them on the run.

Karast #54 Posted 01 June 2012 - 09:02 PM

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I found that the french lights are not to much of an issue. The AMX 90 can be nasty but the 90mm does not seem to be very accurate on the move, and once they've fired their rounds their yours. Your only real risk is if they track you or catch you by surprise.

I kind of feel that the french lights are better snipers ((except for the horrible gun depression)) and ambushers than the Chaffee. They can sneak up and empty a clip to drop a medium or low tier american heavy pretty quickly.

I really see the AMX 90 more of a medium than a light.




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