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fake00 #1 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:26 PM

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Ok, I can not tell you how many times I have killed king tigers in tier 6-7 tanks. It is easy as hell. This afternoon I went into a training battle(s) with a couple of friends to test this out.

KT vs KV-13 = (head on collision) KV-13 wins due to fire in my king tiger

KT vs KV = I will, but suffer from fire which brings me nearly to 25%

KT vs IS3, Not even close, out of three, (3), III, shots 1, one, I, penetrated. I was dead and he was at 85% and I never missed.

KT vs T44, Fire, brings me down to 25% -easy kill for t44

We did a few more tests, but I think this is enough to prove the fact that the King Tiger needs some serious upgrades. It is so sad that the best tank in WWII has become to muck of world of tanks.

fake00 #2 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:27 PM

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Oh, and don't even get me started about the t28, ISU 152, and Ferdinand. That is a joke :P

xLoneWolfx #3 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:30 PM

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lol testing hah vid or never happened KT is awesome tank lolz if u lose by any of the tanks u put up there then its the driver of the tank fault not the developers

fake00 #4 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:35 PM

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Sorry man, those were all head on collisions, so your argument is worthless :)

fake00 #5 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:36 PM

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Also, please improve your grammar, I can barely understand what you are saying.

saml6131 #6 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:37 PM

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If you are doing head on collisions with it then there's your problem. The tank is great when used as a sniper tank. All it is is a Tiger tank but with more armour and a better gun. At long range, its hard to penetrate the frontal weakspots and you will more than likely hit the upper glacius which you can't penetrate at that angle in a tier 6-7 tank. It can't be flanked at longer ranges so the weak side armour is nothing to worry about. Don't assume that the armour upgrade makes you invicible. At close range, an IS-3 will beat you, but at longer ranges, the Tiger II is superior.

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I was able to defeat a  KV-3, but I think that was due to my engine never catching on fire. I agree with you, KT is a decent tank, until its engine is on fire Which literally happens every other battle.

tomatojim #8 Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:38 PM

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how many "KT sux" threads do you want to open?
t8 heavies are well balanced. it has a great frontal armor (except lower plate) and a very good gun.
yeah, it's prone to fire, but that's what fire extinguishers or the firefighting-skill are for.

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View Postfake00, on 21 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

We did a few more tests, but I think this is enough to prove the fact that the King Tiger needs some serious upgrades.
I don't want to be offensive, but the first thing KT needs is upgrading driver past 48%.

Tank is great but difficult to play. Fight with IS-3 should end very close and depending on RNG rolls either KT or IS-3 wins. On the other hand after one test fight it's very difficult to say if the result wasn't coincidence.

If they upgrade KT, it would be the most powerful tier8 tank and nobody want imbalanced tanks in this game.

BTW - what is your KT's equipment? Maybe it can be tweaked...


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View Postsaml6131, on 21 February 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

If you are doing head on collisions with it then there's your problem. The tank is great when used as a sniper tank. All it is is a Tiger tank but with more armour and a better gun. At long range, its hard to penetrate the frontal weakspots and you will more than likely hit the upper glacius which you can't penetrate at that angle in a tier 6-7 tank. It can't be flanked at longer ranges so the weak side armour is nothing to worry about. Don't assume that the armour upgrade makes you invicible. At close ranges, an IS-3 will beat you, but at longer ranges, the Tiger II is superior.

To a certain degree. I find myself never able to snipe, because the enemy always comes in too close. Maybe I just need to work on my sniping skills :P Honestly, sniping is boring :(

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View PostDriveBy, on 21 February 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

I don't want to be offensive, but the first thing KT needs is upgrading driver past 48%.

Tank is great but difficult to play. Fight with IS-3 should end very close and depending on RNG rolls either KT or IS-3 wins. On the other hand after one test fight it's very difficult to say if the result wasn't coincidence.

If they upgrade KT, it would be the most powerful tier8 tank and nobody want imbalanced tanks in this game.

BTW - what is your KT's equipment? Maybe it can be tweaked...

Crew all at 100%, gold, also the first 105 gun. Suspension, best engine.

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View Postfake00, on 21 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

KT vs KV-13 = (head on collision) KV-13 wins due to fire in my king tiger

If you go 1on1 vs. a KV-13 in the open field, where he can easily circle you, than your fault was going there... and going there alone.

View Postfake00, on 21 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

KT vs KV = I will, but suffer from fire which brings me nearly to 25%
KV can damage a KT head on with the 152mm mortar, but it's nearly impossible to penetrate with the 107mm except with gread luck.

View Postfake00, on 21 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

KT vs IS3, Not even close, out of three, (3), III, shots 1, one, I, penetrated. I was dead and he was at 85% and I never missed.
You do something wrong... I have no problems penetrating the IS-3 with my 105mm US gun with 198mm penetration... I guess you have to aim better.

View Postfake00, on 21 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

KT vs T44, Fire, brings me down to 25% -easy kill for t44
Same as vs. KV-13... those fast mediums excell at open field 1on1 against slow enemies like the KT... simply avoid such situations... the T-44 will have a hard time penetrating your front.

I fear KTs more than IS-3... they are more difficult to penetrate (frontally) and have a good accuracy and penetration... no front brawlers, as has already been said, but excellent snipers.
Fire is a problem for most tanks... I don't have the impression, that the KT is particularly easy to light up, but I can only tell from my view as a KT enemy.

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View Postfake00, on 21 February 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Crew all at 100%, gold, also the first 105 gun. Suspension, best engine.
Sorry, but with those 48% I meant your winrate ;). You should rather ask 'How to drive KT?' or 'How to make KT effective?' instead of demanding upgrade. But to the point...

With first gun KT cannot show it's full potential. The good practice is to assess tanks only when they are fully developed. Try fighting IS-3 when got second gun.

For better performance mount vertical stabilizer, rammer and something third, like:
  • ventilation for all-round tank performance improvement (very small),
  • binoculars - useful if alone or in forward position,
  • gun laying drive - faster aiming, very useful for quick and precise shoting,
  • spall liner - increases survivability under arty fire and reduces ramming damage (KV-13 will be easier ;) ).
For more tips check some KT topics on the forum.


And some tip for today:
KT is very mobile as for HT. So try to be as mobile as possible. Move all the time. This helps to dodge arty, makes it harder to aim for your weakspots, makes angling easier (best angling is when you constantly change angle) and forces enemies to adapt to your movement.

VVere #14 Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:03 PM

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IS-3 is a Tier8 Heavy, KT is a Tier8 Heavy. Naturally, a 1v1 is gonna be close, and skill and some luck will be the deciding factors.
Apart from that, I really laughed at your thread, you will have to learn a great deal about how to play I guess :rolleyes:
The elite KingTiger is a very good tank (a tremendous upgrade from the Tiger H). Although it is very capable of sniping, if he's toptier, he can brawl no problem if you know what you are doing. I ate IS-3 and all other Tier8 tanks for breakfast with it and it will probably be my first tank with a 100/100 crew, despite having an E-75 by now. :Smile-izmena:

Evilsausage #15 Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

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Im pretty new to this game. But i got some questions about the KT.

How come the default Porche turret has 100mm of armor, when it did irl have 150. Would it be too good if it arrived with 150mm turret?
You would still have reasons to upgrade it, since the Henchel turret has 180.

The high velocity 88mm seems to be underpowerd, from what i know it could get more then 203mm in penetration.
It seems like in the game the default 122mm has been increased in penetration while the 88mm on the KT has been reduced for balance reason.
Of what i know even the 100mm Soviet gun outpreformed the 122mm mounted on the IS-2 and IS-3.




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