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Just a suggestion.
After 250 battles on each tank, I conclude that AMX 120 is the better one. Reason is quite simple.
The AMX 120 has overall light armor with about 100mm on each side, both tanks have 100mm turrets, whom's extremely easy to penetrate. The main difference is that AMX B, while being faster and having better reload time, has sacreficed much side and rear armor (giving it only 30mm) to have a strong 170mm frontal hull plate.
However, this armor is utterly useless because with the AMX gigantic turret, and because ammo rack is located within the turret, no decent player would ever shoot the hull in the first place.
So, against any experienced players, this 170mm armor on the hull has no real function, as you have to expose your turret to fire anyway, so it's not a T30 by all means.
The main issue with the AMX B compared to AMX 120 is their different degree of ressisting arty fire.
With AMX 120, I find arty fire a nuissance, like all tanks do, but at l east when you get hit, you take around 500-700 dmg from a high tier arty. With AMX B artillery is a horrid nightmare, because of the extremely thin side armors.
A T92 or Type E actually does more dmg to me if they hit the ground on my side rather than hitting me directly. I've taken T92 shots to the front turret directly, and suffered around 800-900 dmg, but when they splash a tank distance away from my side, I take a whopping 2000 dmg. The side and rear armor of both hull and turret are just so weak that at that high caliber arty, they're getting penetrating HE shots, a very very big difference in terms of how much damage you take. So from my point of view, AMX B is inferior to AMX 120 due to this weakness.
So I kind of suggest something similar to what was done with batchat and lorraine, swap places.
I'd gladly trade the shorter (a few seconds) shorter reload time and completely useless frontal hull armor for overall arty ressistance.

True man, true. Also Maneuverability with AMX B its... its bad. Its just such a slow big thing and it doesnt feel french anyway at all...

I think the arty problem is a bit overblown, I don't remember a single case when I was one-shotted or HE'd for 1000+ hp in my AMX 120 or 50B, not even in CW... And the 50B as a slow tank with bad maneuverability, come on.

Really? Because over the last few weeks, I've seen more and more 50Bs in CW, and everytime I see one getting hit by arty, it loses at least 1600hp(object 261).

I will disagree my friend , and i will explain my argument :

1) You may think that AMX 120 is better because it has better matchmaking status cause it's tier 9 but carry a tier 10 gun (huge advantage)
2) You strong hull makes the difference because when you aim a tanks at 400 meters you aim at the center of it because you can't really aim for soft parts from that distance (or most randoms don't ) so you have 50% 50% chance to bounce enemy shot , second yes you can turn around a corner with hull first without exposing your turret make the enemy bounce on you and then come out and 4 shot him ! ( you just need to turn you turret properly so the barrel comes out 45degrees more than your hull degree !
3)When you have the advantage of being faster it means you can capture crucial points of the map which will give you the victory ( remember you are not fighting on endless flat ground )
4)HELL the AMX 120 is getting ammo racked all the time because of it's huge ammo storage boxes and low hit point on them , where the AMX 50 B will rarelly give you an ammo rack problem even under heavy fire ! ( i had wet ammo rack on my 120 and it was still a pain )
5) When you play in maps that artys have the upper hand , you don't angle your tank towards enemy tanks ( they will penetrate you anyways ) but you angle against enemy artys , therefor you get hit from them and you receive the equivalent damage and not go BOOM at first shoot ( you have to be always arty safe anyways , people who stand in the open with any tank are noobs without any question )!

Hope I've been helpful !

Yup fine points on bouncing (turret is not always an easy target, you've to aim for the whole outline at longer ranges for a hit) and matchmaking (50B has much stiffer MM, and as a 2nd line tier10, it'll have less buffer/blocker tanks in the team).

Thanks for the "hull bait" tip.

 Szlejer, on 05 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

You welcome  . . .

You cannot expect people to take hull baits in CW, that's a death sentence for anyone stupid enough to do that.
Also I've never been ammo rack blwon in AMX 120 so far, and happened only happened twice in AMX B.
The hull armor can come into play if you're forcing enemies to shoot at you from long ranges, but let's be honest here.
When you're battling in CW you're facing IS-7s etc, you're NOT really going to penetrate those frontally at ranges exceeding 300m unless you're using gold ammo, and at closer ranges they have a fairlly clear shot on your turret.
Now while you think it's overblown about the dmg, I certainly think not. I'm way more worried about arty shots on AMX B than AMX 120. I've had T92 splashes beside me on AMX B compared to AMX 120, the damage difference is extremely worrisome. You can feel free to ask one of your T92 friends to test it out on your tanks.

Also, when you're battling at longer ranges in the first place, people normally use terrain to their advantage, I highly doubt experienced players would cross open areas with their hull completely exposed. At least when I ever try to shoot at distances, I try to cover my silhuette as much as possible to avoid counterfire. At such situations, you have IS-7, T30s etc all have extremely thick turret armor to make such combat to their advantage. AMX B is a highly accurate tank that has no turret armor, so even though your cannon might be better at such long distance combat, you'd have considerable difficulty taking out anything at tier X while they have no problems penetrating your gigantic turret.

I do understand that the front hull armor is thick, and can bounce shots from IS-7 and E-100, but honestly, I really doubt anyone playing that high tier unless they're completely retarded, would ever go for a hull bait, at least they would shoot your axle instead.

Totally true.

+1


Maybe we should get the AMX 65T instead of the AMX50B ?


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