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crnivuk's Photo crnivuk 07 Mar 2012

View PostAscender, on 03 March 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

WG will probably find some ridiculous reason to put a 240mm gun on it or whatever was originally planned for the SturmTiger to tone it down, rather than the historical 380mm. Which was as much a gun as it was a rocket launcher...

And indeed it's an SPG not a TD wrong section.
If I remember correctly it was more a "siege gun" or "assault gun". Though ... the is the issue here. It was never clearly defined what actually the Sturmtiger should do. Well the idea of teh design was born with Stalingrad if I remember correctly. To have some vehicle that could level any building with a single shell. Though at the point the Sturmtiger saw action there have not been many fightings like in Stalingrad anymore. So the panzerwaffe had now a specialiced vehicle but not really any clue what purpose it had because other weapons could do its job much more efficiently. For example in the role of infantry support they had the Brummbär and the Stug which did already some excelent job. The Sturmtiger would have been way to heavy for that and it had not enoug shells. Using it as artillery was as well not without issues. The rate of fire was rather small (it took around 50 min to reload it I think because you had to operate that little crane on the back to assist in the reload). And the vehicle had not much amunition. Artillery support was also better with the traditional self propelled guns like the Hummel/Wespe and the usual field guns since they had a bigger range and usualy fired with much more units. really the Sturmtiger is much more comparable with the KV2 or the Churchill AVRE then anything else since they had somewhat a similar target on the battlefield.

However if used correctly or if the situation was in the favour of the Sturmtiger it was pretty effective. Particularly on the morale of the enemy. Like the situation of a Sturmtiger which managed to destroy a whole pulk of Shermans with a single shell. There was a Sturmtiger in the ardenes which used a Coalmine as cover to reload. It was not possible to destroy it and it caused much damage to the allies.

But all in all the Sturmtiger was rather a very interesting curiosity then a really usefull vehicle.
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ghostneo's Photo ghostneo 07 Mar 2012

they will probably make this version
jagd sturmtiger
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Argonaut1's Photo Argonaut1 15 Mar 2012

The Rocket Launcher of Sturmtiger needed 30 Minutes to Reload I hope it can make only one shot per game radius 100 Metres over 5000 Damage LOOOOLLLL xD
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Dreachon's Photo Dreachon 16 Mar 2012

View PostAqarius, on 04 March 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

True, but I'm not the one yelling "Propaganda" just because I hear something I don't like.

If you will: here, A hit on the frontal armour of a Ferdinand by a 152mmAP@1200m. My point is you're not going to get hit by a 152mm shell and keep going, but in the game, you do. Considering the liberty taken with other calibers, the sturmtiger rounds won't necessarily  one-shot a Maus, even though they should.

That plate proves nothing, they even removed the extra 100mm bolted armour of the ferdinand front, you also seem to lack an understanding as to what it takes to move almost 16 tonnes of metal, that is the weigh of the Tiger II turret.
As for your third point again your wrong I have a nice picture of a ferdinand that took a direct hit from a 152mm shell at the front of the fighting compartment and the only thing it did was making a little dent on the point of impact, the crew is standing in front of their vehicle as it's sitting on a flatcar.
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GehakteMolen's Photo GehakteMolen 16 Mar 2012

View PostDreachon, on 16 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

That plate proves nothing, they even removed the extra 100mm bolted armour of the ferdinand front, you also seem to lack an understanding as to what it takes to move almost 16 tonnes of metal, that is the weigh of the Tiger II.
As for your third point again your wrong I have a nice picture of a ferdinand that took a direct hit from a 152mm shell at the front of the fighting compartment and the only thing it did was making a little dent on the point of impact, the crew is standing in front of their vehicle as it's sitting on a flatcar.

200mm of steel ftw :P (thats 20cm, thats almost indestructible...)

however a Sturmtiger shoots 380mm shells, that equal to ww2 bombs, and while a bomb falls, these 380mm things crash into the tank with 900km/h, and if 380 kg of steel hits ``something`` with 900km/h, that ``something`` is broke, no matter what it is, if an modern abrams (or leo2 or T90 or whatever) gets hit @ its turret by 1 of these, the sheer kinetic force would just rip off the turret, and if it hits the side, the entire side would ``explode``, a tank is built for point shaped shells, not for surviving a bunker buster, these shells dont penetrated armor, they just crush the armor, and after that some 150kg of HE will make sure that tank is toast, these 380mm things pack more punch then some modern 150mm piece of shit, these 380mm things are huge....

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Dreachon's Photo Dreachon 16 Mar 2012

Well the gun is almost a battleship calibre weapon, the shell carries 127kg of HE compared to the 28kg of HE that the 152mm ML20 get's, that makes for one big difference.
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Esourze's Photo Esourze 16 Mar 2012

The thing is if you shot in a area were 5 - 6 tanks a hiding you would proably kill all if not damage all heavily. accuracy will be something like 2,0 i think ^^
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Dreachon's Photo Dreachon 16 Mar 2012

View PostEsourze, on 16 March 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

The thing is if you shot in a area were 5 - 6 tanks a hiding you would proably kill all if not damage all heavily. accuracy will be something like 2,0 i think ^^

With the blastradius of this weapon you don't really need to hit them just land close enough, the Sturmtiger will be perfect when your with teammembers that know how to get the enemy to group togetehr as then it will do a lot of damage to them.
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Shoeshine's Photo Shoeshine 16 Mar 2012

as a premium TD it would be the ultimate Trollcannon

camo net & 100% camo skill...find the nearest bushes and wait

Maus comes along doing its mausy thing....wump..twirlly whistle...KABOOM...................maus player sits in confused & shocked state..........he commences rage book in the chat box
ST player giggles counts the silver he just made with 1 shot and moves to another bush
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steview162's Photo steview162 16 Mar 2012

You can just imagine after a few games, everyone will know how long it takes to reload. So there will be a mad dash to get

GOOD cover before the first shell comes in.

Sturmtiger, ALARM.
Das Boot

Just in case an emplyee reads this - no 380mm, no buy.
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ViktorKitov's Photo ViktorKitov 16 Mar 2012

View PostDreachon, on 16 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

That plate proves nothing, they even removed the extra 100mm bolted armour of the ferdinand front, you also seem to lack an understanding as to what it takes to move almost 16 tonnes of metal, that is the weigh of the Tiger II.
As for your third point again your wrong I have a nice picture of a ferdinand that took a direct hit from a 152mm shell at the front of the fighting compartment and the only thing it did was making a little dent on the point of impact, the crew is standing in front of their vehicle as it's sitting on a flatcar.

When did they make a sporty version of the KT at just 16 tonnes?

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Maybe...
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Aqarius's Photo Aqarius 17 Mar 2012

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View PostDreachon, on 16 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

I have a nice picture of a ferdinand that took a direct hit from a 152mm shell at the front of the fighting compartment and the only thing it did was making a little dent on the point of impact, the crew is standing in front of their vehicle as it's sitting on a flatcar.
Is this where I say "propaganda"?
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Dreachon's Photo Dreachon 17 Mar 2012

View PostAqarius, on 17 March 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

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Also:
Is this where I say "propaganda"?

Do by all means but the picture is published in a book, combat history of schwere panzerjager abteilung 653 by Karlheinz Munch.
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W0Z's Photo W0Z 18 Mar 2012

Higher arc means you can shoot over stuff and the shell will be landing on the targets top (weaker)armour so theres more chance of a penatrating hit even with HE.
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crnivuk's Photo crnivuk 19 Mar 2012

View Poststeview162, on 16 March 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:


Sturmtiger, ALARM.
Das Boot

Just in case an emplyee reads this - no 380mm, no buy.
funny that you say this since if I remember correctly that 380mm rocket/mortar weapon was actually meant to fight submarines or something like that. But since it never was used they decided to squeze it in a tank.
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Roebuck34's Photo Roebuck34 19 Mar 2012

why do people say it will have an 30 or more min reload time.


well i guees they meant irl but that was when they loaded the ammo in to the tank and when they loaded the shells into the "gun" it dident take that long time IF i REMEBER right.

im also quite tired.


/ a little rant time of roebuck 34  :lol:

and its quite redicolus loading times in the game allready ive been in hetzer t-34-85 and sherman when you will load it dosent take more then maybe 2 seconds but thats with shells that dosent wight as much as the sturmtiger bada BOOM gun shells does.


even so in the marder 2 its super easy to load you can do it 5 seconds relaxed and talking now think in the battle people are trying to kill you how fast will you load now. /my little rant is now over thank you who read it if any one did read it  :o

and sorry for my bad english dotation etc etc
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Dreachon's Photo Dreachon 19 Mar 2012

View Postcrnivuk, on 19 March 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

funny that you say this since if I remember correctly that 380mm rocket/mortar weapon was actually meant to fight submarines or something like that. But since it never was used they decided to squeze it in a tank.

Not exactly but this seems a common mistake, the weapon was not intended for taking out enemy submarines but actually to allow a submarine to attack targets inland.
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CoyDK's Photo CoyDK 19 Mar 2012

View PostFonsyfun, on 03 March 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Ive heard that the Sturmtiger will be in the game (premium arty), and from what Ive red from wiki, it will have a 380mm gun :Smile-playing:

But, the biggest gun I'm avare of in the game now is the 240 mm Howitzer M1, and the 240 mm Howitzer M1 39,8% is only 39,8 of the size of the 380m gun. The 240 mm Howitzer M1 has currently with HE 2250 damage, so in theory the 380mm gun would have a HE-damage of 5653 :Smile_harp: That would, if it hits, oneshot tier 9 tanks. So my calcuations are probably wrong and WG won't make it that powerful, but in theory it would be, right? :unsure: sorry for my english

Edit: And if a moderator pass by, please move this to the SPG part of the forum


The Sturmtiger is a Siege tank, just like the T95. It have a "rocket/mortar" gun not a normal "gun" as we know from wot td's fx. Its a combination of a arty gun in a TD shell. Its armor keeps it safe until it gets close enough to deliver its massive shell to level a building with anything/one inside. It was deployed on the Easten Front agenst the russen' but it never saw mass production.
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crnivuk's Photo crnivuk 19 Mar 2012

View PostDreachon, on 19 March 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Not exactly but this seems a common mistake, the weapon was not intended for taking out enemy submarines but actually to allow a submarine to attack targets inland.
hmm. Yeah. I just remember it was a weapon from the Kriegsmarine (naval forces). So might be correct. Still. Interesting were some weapon systems end.
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llSeppll's Photo llSeppll 21 Mar 2012

View Postmr3awsome, on 05 March 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

not all assult guns are TDs
eg. KV-2 is heavy tank
Bison isn't TD it's spg
etc, etc
For the love of God....Bison didn't have any armour. Unless you call a quasi mesh steel plate armour that is.
You cant POSSIBLY tell me that 150 mm armour at 47 degree is meant to be an SPG??
Sure classing it as TD would be awkard, but still the best solution. Ffs, the classification light would be suited as much as the classification SPG...
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