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Buljin #1 Posted 10 September 2010 - 12:53 AM

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Got my T-44 once the game came back online. Was wondering if any veteran T-44 drivers can give me their opinions on which cannon to use? The 100mm does decent dmg and penetration and has a respectable rate of fire. The 122mm has great dmg, good penetration but fires just over 3 shots per minute. Is that too slow to make the T-44 effective? Do the extra shots per minute make the 100mm cannon more useful? Please let me know what you think if you have driven the T-44 lots and have an opinion :)

PzGrenKdr #2 Posted 10 September 2010 - 12:58 AM

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i use the 100er, the 122er is only good for sniping and very bad in price/power ratio like all 122er guns(beside BL-9), but sniping negate all advantges of the T-44.

Buljin #3 Posted 10 September 2010 - 01:04 AM

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Thanks for the reply. Yeah if sniping is all the gun is good for then I suppose I really shouldn't use it on the T-44. Thanks for your input.

WOTAN #4 Posted 10 September 2010 - 01:05 AM

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The T44 is a dogfighter and as a dogfighter you often want to hit the tracks of enemy tanks. With the 122mm ROF, you most probably couldnt hit the target again before a halfway decent crew has repaired the tracks. The T44 is also a hit and run tank, which means that you can't afford to miss a shot and missing a shot with the 122mm is tragic - a lot can happen while you drive around and wait for reloading.
In my opinion, the 100mm is the better all-round choice.

Vidster #5 Posted 10 September 2010 - 01:28 AM

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Yup. Another vote for the 100mm cannon. The 122mm simply takes too long to load and doesn't deliver that much more damage anyway.

What i think is disgusting is that the devs have turned away from many facts about tanks in this game (especially nerfing the T-44), but they do not see fit to decrease the reload time of the 122mm cannon.

As i understand it, the engine was brought down in power to roughly the same as the Panther so how about making the 122mm gun reload roughly the speed as the Panthers?

Buljin #6 Posted 10 September 2010 - 01:45 AM

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Heh seems overwhelmingly like most T-44 drivers prefer the 100mm, so I will for sure be unlocking that one rather than the 122mm. Thanks to all who posted opinions.

jethro11 #7 Posted 10 September 2010 - 02:00 AM

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I have always used the 100mm, but lately with all the big tanks around I have used the 122 with great success.

Still if you have a bad match, it costs you :)

better all rounder is the 100mm

panzergulo #8 Posted 10 September 2010 - 07:41 AM

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View PostZorlagius, on 10 September 2010 - 05:27 AM, said:

I use 85mm most of the time, but 100mm isn`t bad either. Even with 100mm missing a shot can be a problem so currently with high latency (US servers  :blink:  ) I feel better off with faster firing gun.
This, pretty much.

Before T-44, the 85mm has better damage per second, but if I remember correctly, T-44 gets better damage per second with the 100mm gun. However, the difference is very small, and you should consider your playstyle more than anything else when comparing these two guns. I remember running my T-44 with the 85mm all the time. As a dogfighter I'm hitting the enemies' sides and rear all the time anyway, so penetration was never a problem. And if I remember correctly, the 100mm gun doesn't even give that much advantage when it comes to penetration.

But yeah... just my opinion.

Heggs #9 Posted 11 September 2010 - 06:01 PM

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100mm = good balance of pewpew and rof.
122mm = bad rof for very little pewpew gain.

Great tank though and no where near as op as some peeps think.Enjoy it but PLEASE dont use it to camp, a T44 driver can help his team in so many ways its not funny.

Sykotic #10 Posted 11 September 2010 - 08:23 PM

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I posted this response in the T-44 Nerf? thread yesterday, but reposting it here. Numbers are always good to look at.


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I do just fine with the 100mm D10T. Sure, I can't penetrate the front armor of a JagdTiger, but I can penetrate a KT/IS-3 with regularity. The IS-4, VK4502, and Maus are much harder to penetrate, but still possible if I get to the sides/back.

That said, the 100mm and 122mm have the SAME penetration rates. The 100mm does 230 average damage and the 122mm does 390 average damage. If you take in to account the rate of fire for both guns the 100mm can achieve 30.67 DPS and the 122mm can only achieve 23.21 DPS (this is assuming you pull the trigger exactly when reloaded which is not always possible/practical). We might even call the DPS a tie (although you will feel the slower reload rate when in a dogfight). BUT, let's take in to account ammo costs. It is 252 credits per shell for 100mm and 1025 credits per shell for 122mm. 122mm is FOUR times more expensive to shoot. Ignoring rate of fire and just focusing on credits/damage the 100mm does 0.91 damage per credit and the 122mm does a mere 0.38 damage per credit. The 122mm costs FOUR times more than 100mm and does THREE times less damage per credit.

So, why would you turn yourself in to a TD/Heavy with the 122mm when you can use the 100mm and put more shots on target and play mobile. I just don't see the benefit to using the 122mm on the T-44.


btz #11 Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:48 AM

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I'm using 100mm on mine 44.

Popper #12 Posted 12 September 2010 - 01:33 PM

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View PostHeggs, on 11 September 2010 - 06:01 PM, said:

100mm = good balance of pewpew and rof.
122mm = bad rof for very little pewpew gain.

Great tank though and no where near as op as some peeps think.Enjoy it but PLEASE dont use it to camp, a T44 driver can help his team in so many ways its not funny.

actually the 122mm is a DECREASE in DPS in comparison with the 100mm.

Gun			 RoF	Damage	Damage per Minute
D10T	(100mm): 8,00 	 230 	1840,00
D-25-44 (122mm): 3,57 	 390 	1392,30



that is a 25% Reduction in DPS with an "upgraded" gun. Though that doesn't take playstyle into account.

Sykotic #13 Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:25 PM

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View PostPopper, on 12 September 2010 - 01:33 PM, said:

actually the 122mm is a DECREASE in DPS in comparison with the 100mm.

that is a 25% Reduction in DPS with an "upgraded" gun. Though that doesn't take playstyle into account.
Going further (my numbers above are more specific about this), it is THREE times more expensive (in credits) to do the equivalent damage with the 122mm. The only possible benefit you would get from using the 122mm would be if you can kill a tank with a single shot. You would either have to get lucky (ammo rack explosion) or come upon a very wounded tank for that to even work in your favor. The 122mm does do more damage per shot and that is the only saving grace it has. However, considering that the lowest possible health of any T8+ tank is 920 (unupgraded T-44) and the damage per shot really doesn't make sense in realistic gameplay either.

karol66 #14 Posted 13 September 2010 - 03:05 AM

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I'm using 85mm and I love it - shoting like machine gun and is very accurate.
Ammo cost is also cut in half but this is just extra profit.

MasterofGrond #15 Posted 13 September 2010 - 03:09 AM

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100mm all the way. Extra penetration offsets the slightly higher rate of fire from the 85mm.

Don't even talk to me about the 122, if you're using that you're sniping with a T-44 and therefore picked the wrong T8 medium.

Lile #16 Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:25 AM

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View PostPopper, on 12 September 2010 - 01:33 PM, said:

actually the 122mm is a DECREASE in DPS in comparison with the 100mm.

Gun			 RoF	Damage	Damage per Minute
D10T	(100mm): 8,00 	 230 	1840,00
D-25-44 (122mm): 3,57 	 390 	1392,30



that is a 25% Reduction in DPS with an "upgraded" gun. Though that doesn't take playstyle into account.
Take account ammo costs and the reduction is even bigger  :Smile-bajan2:

Anemone #17 Posted 13 September 2010 - 01:13 PM

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Anyone driving a T-44 should just try the 85mm and 100mm for themselves and see which they prefer, both have slight advantages that give them the edge depending on situation.

122mm is a waste of time, not worth mentioning.

Damsco #18 Posted 14 September 2010 - 11:19 PM

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100mm FTW

merig00 #19 Posted 15 September 2010 - 02:12 AM

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85mm or 100mm - if you are using HE rounds the difference is pretty much in damage. Except of course when you go against Ferdinand or Maus :)

Also don't forget about additional equipment - rammer and stabilizer help a lot.

Sykotic #20 Posted 15 September 2010 - 05:20 AM

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100mm is still the best choice. Especially with a Stabilizer and Rammer. The 85mm is more accurate at 100mm, but accuracy stats are misleading on the T-44 since you should NEVER stop to shoot. Almost all T-44 shooting is done on the move and at close ranges. So, the 100mm and 85mm have basically the same accuracy under those conditions. The 100mm wins out with penetration and damage. When you are circling another tank you may not always get to take a shot at their rear. I sometimes shoot them head on if I think that shot could finish them before they finish reloading.

The 100mm just becomes the clear choice when you take in all the factors of cost, damage, penetration, and rate of fire.




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