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People here fail to understand the logic WG have behind there thinking. Of course there are MANY using Gold ammo, but its usually the higher tiered ppl with tier 8 and above tanks, I would argue 9 and 10s. I too have noticed a lot of it is in use the last couple of weeks as I guess Ive tried to mend my maverick ways to reach my goal of upgrading the IS-3 to the 4. I have to admit I have bought a little Gold ammo just to try and yes its significantly different, SHOULD YOU HIT THE RIGHT SPOT, but its also a gamble in my game style and the potential rewards simply dont justify the expenditure.

I dont think WG need to make more money, 18m a month should be more than enough, but then we all know in a Capitalist society, you can never earn enough as the game isnt about the money specifically, its the challenge of earning it. As for it spoiling the game, its the least of WOTs problems, there are many other issues that are game related, the fact players choose to pay to have an advantage over there enemy is their prerogative, each to their own. I use my gold for premium only cos I have one objective and without premium it would take me personally forever to achieve and to be honest proving hard enough even with a premium account.

 FrankGallagherwasere, on 23 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Time to tell Coca Cola, Pepsi, O2, BMW, Mercedes, BT, Nestle, Cadburys, Abbey, Citi Bank every other business out there... you don't need to make so much money!

Hang on a second... oh wait, sorry that is how business works. War Gaming aren't trying to just tick over and survive, in some sense they are pioneers in this game model and others are likely to copy it until then they can utilise that and build momentum. Just look at what the success of World of Tanks has done, it has allowed them to receive investors to build WoBS,WoWP

 CaptainMastiff, on 23 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Since my stats won't tell you the current reality I'll let you in on a little secret.
Recently I drive mainly German tank which I just got (VK3601) followed by T-34-85 and a KV-13 and T-34. ALL of them have 144 pen or lower (yes I use the 85mm on T-34-85).

 CaptainMastiff, on 23 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

I own a VK3001P (just hadn't have the creds to put a crew on it yet). I do however drive VK3601 which has the same top gun.
My last game with it (yesterday) I killed a Type59 frontally and did serious damage to an IS-3.

I know where to shoot and where not bother to shoot. Knowing I can't penetrate frontally just means I'll relocate.
If I can't do that, well then I am dead. I may even charge out of cover just to try and get one extra shot from where it counts before seeing the inevitable fireball.
I am no stranger to "being cornered like a rat" situation knowing that I won't be able to do any more damage before dying.

The only tier 8 I can't really damage with the short 88 is KV-5. Even the weakspots show no green indicator and I will get a bounce.

 CaptainMastiff, on 23 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Yes I am becaue it's true. Having said that premium account gives no in battle advantage so I have no problem with it.

 CaptainMastiff, on 23 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

I never said it's not legitimate(it is because WG allows it). What I did in essence say is that it gives battle advantage to those with money(pay to win). IMO that's wrong but I am not WG so even though I don't like it I have to live with it. I am under no illusion this will ever change.

Using Gold ammo in randoms is not cost effective

Say you fire 10 gold rounds in a battle at a cost of 10 Gold each. Now you could have used that 100 Gold to convert 2500 XP or bought 40,000 silver.
Believe me - firing off 10 Gold rounds in a game is never going to give you that kind of return.

Most of my good tanks carry a few gold rounds for those last ditch desperate game winning moments - where you want to maximise your chance for success. But gold rounds do not mean automatic penetration - you still have to know where to aim!

If the MM worked and pitted tanks of comparable value against each other then yes I think Gold ammo should be withdrawn from the game. But they would also have to fix things like the E100 gun in the process as its underpowered without Gold. But we also know that several tanks are unbalanced (IS4 & 7 spring to mind - and yes I do have an IS7) so all that would need fixing as well.

So will those balancing changes be made? - No.
Will people buy Gold ammo to compensate for balance issues? - Yes
Does WG make money from people buying Gold ammo? - Yes

So will Gold ammo disappear from the game? - No.

Do you have any official statistic from WG that shows how frequent is the use gold ammo in random games??

Otherwise, the numbers you are quoting seems to come from .... ...

The idea that there are all these players using gold ammo in randoms is a myth, it's easier to believe someone paid for an advantage than accept you were beaten to the draw. Of those that do buy gold ammo, most I have met only carry 5 6 rounds for desperate occasions when pinned down by a T10 in their T 8/9 med for instance, or have a few rounds left over from CW and forgot to unload.

Personally, I have spent over £300 on gold since Jan and make no excuses for it, I work hard for my money and have plenty disposable income to do with as I wish, but not a single gold coin was spent on gold ammo. Nor could I care less if anyone uses gold ammo against me, EVERYONE has the opportunity to buy and use it if they wish. That has not stopped children accusing me of using gold ammo when I just racked their arse driving a premium tank, however, when I offer to upload the battle replay at the end of the round or upload another where I do the same in a T5 they tend to shut up pretty damn quick.

Crying about the methods used by WG to generate income, income that keeps the servers going and pays employees for continued development is frankly pathetic, I would happily see the game become pay to play and see an end to all this butthurt whining. Servers do not run on fresh air, developers cannot feed their families with buttons. When you take part in a f2p you have to accept that part of the game experience will be closed to you, or that your efforts will take longer if you do not wish to spend money, that is how they work. It is your choice to pay or not, but insulting others that do pay is childish and driven by nothing more than envy.

Oh and for the record, NO premium tank is op, that is just another excuse the great unwashed would rather buy into than accept the truth when their tank goes up in flames. It is always easier to imagine the tank you do not own is better than the one you do, as the truth often tends to be a little more depressing.

 TekumzeWolf, on 23 March 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Cool story, I have owned both VKs and let me tell you the VK3001P is oen of the most frustrating tanks to drive, nearly every game you will be bottom of the table. Not bottom as in everyone else is tier 6/7 but bottom as the next one up is tier 7 and you're fighting tier IX/X. That sort of frustrating is what is likely to drive someone to using gold ammo, what good are you in a VK3001P when you are slower than an IS7, you might have the higher top speed but you ain't going to pull away. You haven't got a good gun, nor armour, acceleration, view range in fact nothing is good about this tank and when you need to grind XP by doing damage... how else will you? I usually suicide rush this tank and hope to find a safe spot if I don't so what I get a few spots and get XP off that I'm rarely going to damage someone... oh yeh and its elite.

On another matter, it isn't skill either to know where the weak spots are. It is basic knowledge I know where the weak spots are on a Maus when I'm in a Ltraktor... not skill just knowledge. So picture this, you know this "skill" but you are still in a tank that can't do shit against the sides or rear of a bouncy IS-4. Do you A give up, B Load gold rounds?

I would probably do the first one because I don't intend to waste my gold on ammo, though it is perfectly reasonable for someone else to use gold round.

What about it really cheese you off? The fact your opponent can penetrate your tank? When you underestimated them and got a surprise?

 Hexcaliber, on 23 March 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

^ This man is wise, listen to him.

 corrado_comrade, on 23 March 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

How you notice ? You saw the golden shine of the shell as it came flying ? http://forum.worldof...e_veryhappy.gif

 corrado_comrade, on 23 March 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

No they aren't. I bought some gold ammo for my Type-59 last Special when they were half price and those tracers were just as gray as normal ammo.

 Khitan, on 23 March 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

I also think that gold ammo is not cost-effective. Which is why I don't use it. I spend gold on other stuff instead.
Besides if someone is using gold ammo in randoms, usually the chat will be spammed with insults which I don't need at all.
And if someone would waste gold ammo on me, I would just laugh in myself. I even laugh on missed arty shots when I know their shells are way more expensive than 1000 credits. It's kinda fun when they shower my with shells even though I am safely in cover and I just count "ding ding ding, 3000 credits wasted by enemy Hummels".

 CaptainMastiff, on 23 March 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Any tier 6 ends up in annoying number of tier 9 battles. I drive mostly tier 6 tanks atm and it's very annoying. VK3001P is no different it this regard. It's true that you need to be VERY lucky to do any damage. I mostly try to avoid them or just play bait so others can shoot at it while it's aiming at me.

The only way VK3001P differs from other tier 6 mediums is that with stock engine it's not really a medium. It's a snail with a gun.
I will only put crew on it once I have free XP for the engine. That way I can avoid getting a stroke while driving it
Once Elite I expect it to behave similar to a T-34-85 except having a better tops speed and less turning ability.

I agree that knowing weakspots is not skill it's knowledge. I said something like that today in another thread.
As for trying to damage tier 9 and 10. I know how frustrating it can be.
If I know I can't do damage I try to bait them out of position. If I am last I usually die.
Even so I have managed to win a game with my PzIV(with some help from a tier 6 VK) while going against IS, IS-4 and a ferdi.
We killed IS and Ferdi and were fast enough with capping to ruin the day for IS-4

I never even considered using gold ammo and I can afford it. Then again I have been called weird so I may not count
For me it's a waste. You're better off just entering an new battle.

What cheesed me off? Only the fact that it is a pay to win feature. Other then that I don't care or even notice it.
I get shot... I die. At that point I don't care what kind of ammo it was. I just enter a new battle.

 CaptainMastiff, on 23 March 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Where team worker is a completely different description than good player. A team worker is not a good player by default . Nor is a good player intelligent by default (my original point). Nor is intelligence an indication of level of team work (you can have a highly intelligent selfish ego-tripper). I would argue that level of team work could be an indication of  intelligence and communication skills, not the other way around. Mostly you're completely missing the point.

 Pupesh, on 23 March 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

I could yes. The discusson however is not worth my attention, so i cant find the montivation to post anything then pictures.

 TekumzeWolf, on 23 March 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Just doesn't work like that otherwise you might have had a point.  Gold bounces quite nicely on most armour and still suffers a bounce if you hit at a bad angle.  All it does is increase the penetration value slightly and the benefit is lost over distance.

 Zamial, on 23 March 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Loled a little at that one... then i started crying knowing that he think what he say is correct...

 Esourze, on 23 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

And yet you gave it your attention and decided to post. But hey, adding a picture is easier than thinking right? If it's not worth your attention, don't bother to post at all I'd say. Divert your time and 'attention' elsewhere.

I am against all gold only items. IMO any gold item should be available for credits. Do not give me the line that WG would not make money, of course they would. The fact that people pay money to convert experience so they can level faster is proof of that.

 AliceUnchained, on 23 March 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I could yes, but hey what can do when the circus is in town ^^

This is the Huge downside of a "free to play mmo", there are so many with money who will pay whatever it takes to get an edge. Addiction at it worst. I seriously have no idea why I bought gold when I find the prices completly outrageous, guess I was hooked

 seaeagle, on 23 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Yeah, WG is making lots of money, two figures per month! Quite insane when you think of it, they keep expanding and hire more and more people but still they make money.

Game is best when its challenging but i guess some people like quite the oposite. Cheats in Doom, always trainers , dificulty on piss easy and finaly they parked in WoT with APCR. Or am i mistaken? Hardly

WG should start selling comsumable named IDDQD, i bet they could make even more money with that...