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Aimless, on 25 March 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

mjjjjmmmmjjmmmmmmmm,  scratching head ..... mmmmsmsmm oooooo , is Panther II really that bad, can't it be allowed to be in this contest of T8 MT   I know it does not stick out in any particular way but is it worthless?

T-44 is very good nowadays. It used to be much worse since it didn't have the LB-1 gun or the 680HP engine.

It is very agile, it especially turns well and has great turret traverse speed. Gun is good in terms of accuracy and firing rate but it lacks a little penetration and damage. Great med for flanking. I don't get why people mock the armour of it so much. The frontal armor can bounce many, many shots if you angle it right. The turret can bounce a few lucky shots if they hit the front/side with a steep angle.

Never go into battle without wet ammo rack mounted though. Ammo is located in the back of the turret and on the "floor" of the tank, just below the turret on the left. (When looking at the tank from the front.)

Maj_Solo, on 25 March 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

I love my panther 2 (but then I love all tier 8 meds) Than gun can make a big difference agile enough decent armour good speed. I would say the gun does stick out as the best of the tier 8's and while types are not much of a problem for any of them they are easiest in a panther 2. I do not have a type but have drove it on my mates account (7.5K gold and he hates the tank   ) and I quite like it as well but I feel each plays very different.

Magecraft, on 25 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

I hope u get a E50 wonder when u r finnished with your panther II, i liked my panther II , but E50 is so much fun, german med drivers deserve all this after driving panther I

Maj_Solo, on 25 March 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

the E-50 is a nice tank indeed, but i wouldnt call it a medium tank anymore

I love meds and T-44 is my favourite tank. I thought that maybe the french line would be more fun for me because of this, but I never found the tone with them. But with T44, everything comes to sense. The armor aint good, but hey, its a medium tank... Good camo makes it hard to detect, low profile makes it hard to hit(fits nicely behind wrecks), sloped armor makes it bounce now and then, the tracks cover hull side so that many hits will get consumed by them.

As for the Type59 drivers in here "laughing off" a T44, try to laugh when u go for the hill on maps like the Mines or Prokhorovka when u realize that enemy T44 already is positioned there, making minced meat out of your forward scouts that helplessly calls for his/her meds that of course is still crawling uphill. Yeah, you are in deep shit and forced to choose between continuing a favourless push or unorganized retreat whilst under very accurate LB1 fire....     This is what I enjoy with T44, its ability to capture key positions and deny it until support arrives. Place yourself so that anyone rushing you will be in line of fire from the arriving support, or just haul ass around the key-positions corners, bushes, defences and fight like badass Zvika force did at the Golan heights.

I use WAR, rammer and stab

T44 still got the best armor of all T8 meds, plus the reworked armor did wonders to its turret front... its now nearly impenetrable end even sometimes bounces guns like the BL10.

Ever since the rework its a very good T8 tank, maybe gona rebuy it since I even loved it before all the buffs and I did very good with it, also because T54 hella expensive...

War is not neccecary anymore, hell I even used stab, vent, rammer before 7.0 and only had ~1/10 ammo explosions.

ADVANTAGES

Good speed and agility. You are a proper damn medium.


DISADVANTAGES

Good speed and agility. Hard to use well.
Average gun.
Below average accuracy.
Below average armour.
Famous weak spot (Always angle right, go to the right flank, or around the right side of an obstacle. Problem solved.)
The game hates medium tanks. Almost all maps are built around two or three choke points, wide open spaces are always in view of snipers. Heavy tanks perform best in the existing maps, lights perform well because most players are stupid. Mediums have been left rather without a defined role. A good player can always do well, of course, but it's harder to find something a medium tank can do well. Especially the T-44, being a proper damn medium and not some nancy-pants 'support' tank.

HELLVIS_666, on 25 March 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

http://www.mediafire.com/conv/d206c5918fe83d8c3cc9019220fd5d9e174d750147b8af4cd3912fd47f3c2b534g.jpg

Panther II versus T-44
German Tier VIII mediums has an upper hand in long range combat but lack agility needed in close combat situations. Panther II front armor is enough to keep it unscratched on long distance when facing T-44 but such tactics need more open space.
Note: When I playing in platoon in my Panther II with T-44... T-44 drivers prefer to save my Panther II motivating it that my medium has better gun.

TheEnds, on 28 March 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

Accuracy of 0,31 is almost the same as Panther II accuracy of 0,30.

I've had all the tier 8 mediums. The t44 is the most adaptive, the other two are often restricted as support tanks and better at range.

I sold mine to get the t54, I'm now in the process of getting it back after ditching the t54.

I absolutely love my T-44.

:: It is pretty quick (I personally think it needs an extra 2-5km/h though)
:: Agile
:: Good climbing speed
:: Quick to accelerate

Don't forget, it is a medium tank. It sacrifices armour for it's speed and agility. In that respect it is pretty decent and you MUST angle your armour. With a good angle, you can actually bounce a heck of a lot of rounds. As for the ammo rack.... yes it has and still is been insanely easy to hit. I'm not sure how much the WAR actually helps but it doesn't seem like much. You must remember that when you try to flank a target, to ALWAYS CIRCLE ANTICLOCKWISE. This is to protect the vulnerable right side where the ammo rack is situated.

The LB-1? Well it's not bad at all. The turret has good traverse speed which can keep up with your manoeuvres at least. It does moderate damage but it seriously lacks penetration. But then the whole point of this tank is to out-manoeuvres/flank opponents and hit them in their soft spots.

Overall a very fun tank. Difficult to master indeed but highly rewarding and equally frustrating. Just remember that golden rule in bold above!

Maj_Solo, on 25 March 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

I do not finish with tanks I like playing my Garage is huge as I have kept nearly every tank I enjoy playing Oddly I liked the Panther as well (not as much as my t-20 but equal with t-43).

Aimless, on 25 March 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

The Pershing was initially classed as a heavy tank but got reclassed as a medium in 1946.

Love mine.  The penetration of the LB1 is no great shakes, as the armour.  So sniper battles at range is not really a good plan, and front to front against a well driven T59 will usually end in failure.
Having said that, it's pretty nimble and can be used to flank opponents, at which point you can generally penetrate the sides unless you're talking of a T95/IS4 or similar.  Additionally, it's useful for getting in behind enemy lines to wipe up their arty and spot for your own.  So don't throw it away in the first 5 mins, as it'll come into it's own later in the game with fewer tanks around.

eg. was on Murovanka yesterday at north side.  Sat in my base to shoot at their scouts for the first min, then drove up the hill to set an ambush.  Had a scrap with their lead tanks, including some similar tier heavies, knocked out one of theirs, damaged several more.  We eventually stabilised the hill.  Looked at the teams, only 6 tanks left per side.  Drove down the hill, knocked out their VK3601 (easy meat for a T44), wiped up their 2 arty, then came in behind their Lowe.  Took a couple of hits, but knocked him out.  That left just myself and an out of ammo SPG in their base, a KV5 in ours.  The KV5 started capping and would have won even against both of our tanks trying to cap.  Had our SPG start to cap, then drove to out base.  Had no chance to kill the KV5, but put a couple of rounds into his R2, which were enough to reset the Cap counter and also to get me a defender medal.  Sure, my T44 died, but out team won.  VERY satisfying game.

It's not my most effective killing machine, but I do get a kick out of driving it.

TheEnds, on 28 March 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

uhm, have you even played the T-44?
it's gun is far more accurate than Panther II's gun, 2.0 aimtime vs 2.5 aimtime makes a HUGE difference (especially with the paket loss and lag we have atm)

i played 16 battles and got 14 sniper medals. i have all tier 8 tanks and the T-44 is the tank with the highest "sniper medal rate" (while Panther II has the lowest rate)

I get better results in my Pershing but not much.

But have more fun in my T44.

pershing has better gun, much better than stats sugest, much less bouncing.
pershing had better gun depresion and fires better on the move.
preshing dosn't get ammo racked every few games.

T44 is faster , more agile and armour bounces more from the front, side and rear are about the same.
Gun isnt bad just not as good as the Pershings.
Fit a wet ammo rack and it shouldent blow up every few games and enjoy.

T-44: 1) I am doing 150-180 dmg If I am lucky and pen,this is nothing for tier 8 2)Other tanks in your battles got usualy 1000hp more, 3xbetter gun,3x better armour  3)engine is destroyed all the time  4)U spend 100k xp before u buy engines,tracks,turret,same(HAHAH) but little more acc gun witch I dont belive its got 175mm avrage pen   5)Even after great battle where I get 1000xp,with prem acc, my profit is max 5000 credits 6)Tank is low,in map Prokhorovka I didnt spot Jagdtiger from 20meters,so spotting is also bad.   In the end I cant see 1 good reason to get this tank except agility is good and turret traverse is fast. Must say u are week,u have gun cos u must,speed and agility its not really that awsome. Think what u wont but I think its junk.

Dushan79, on 25 March 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

quite the opposite i love fighting types in my t-44 boom ammoracked, boom ammoracked,.... bye bye types

T44 is a great tank! Tried the pershing for a few games as well and it was really great. For me the decision was like this: gun or agility? I went for the agility and this is the result:



Best result on my stats nowadays it's like 1030 after a lot of battles.

The only thing i dont like is the lack of penetration. 175 isnt enough.

you won't regret any tier tier 8 medium. theyre so much fun to drive