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Kusteeh #21 Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:32 AM

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 01 April 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Are we talking about T-54 here? Are you sure?
We are talking about that tank that fights ALWAYS against tier 9 or tier 10 heavies that CAN NOT harm until some other heavy has damaged them
beyond 60%?
Are we talking about the T-54 with that "beast" gun  D-54 that has LESS penetration and makes LESS damage comparing with other tier 8 and tier 9 medium' tanks guns
but still a single shell costs 1230 credits each?
Are we talking about that T-54 that can not harm IS-4 or E-75 and it can be destroyed by AMX-13-75 in 20 secs?
Are you sure that we are talking about the same tank?


IS4 and E-75 also like most Tier X heavys can be taken down with T-54. On the other hand, you mentioned french papertanks: only lorraine with best gun can be dangerous to T-54 (just a hint: dont show you tank's ass to them) not any else under that. And you forgot the fact that if a batman could kill, but it will be useless for 40 sec after. If he cannot run  away, he dies, if he runs away he gives up positions that would be really important for your team to proceed with the attack. The only thing you were right in the ammo cost / damage. It is too high...
Repair cost 18K ammo cost 38K..with premium i earned 80K (without premium it would be 53.3K)

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Anthoniusii #22 Posted 02 April 2012 - 12:43 PM

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View PostKusteeh, on 02 April 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

IS4 and E-75 also like most Tier X heavys can be taken down with T-54. On the other hand, you mentioned french papertanks: only lorraine with best gun can be dangerous to T-54 (just a hint: dont show you tank's ass to them) not any else under that. And you forgot the fact that if a batman could kill, but it will be useless for 40 sec after. If he cannot run  away, he dies, if he runs away he gives up positions that would be really important for your team to proceed with the attack. The only thing you were right in the ammo cost / damage. It is too high...
Repair cost 18K ammo cost 38K..with premium i earned 80K (without premium it would be 53.3K)

My friend my expirience on the T-54 RELIED ON 0.7.1 patch (i posted a detailed example in an other thread about the finansial issues)
I bought T-54 by selling 5 tanks and by buying gold and after 5 milion credits and 205 battles i sold it..
I could not damage the tanks i mentioned (not sure about the new patch) and some times i could not even harm Type 59 and other tier 7 meds and heavies.
In the case i destroyed some...i had a full credit bankcrupcy .
I have a standard free account.
In patch 0.7.1
Destroyed 5 enemy tanks
I survived
I was in the winning team
I gained 25000 credits
I payed for damages 20000 credits
I payed for ammo 24000 cedits
As you can see in the previus patch even in such a battle like mine you had a loss of income arround 45%!!
Even now if its true about a 10% increase of gaining income then in a standard -non premium- acount the player like me
would gain 27500 credits but even then he has a loss of income around 39% !
A non premium customer CAN NOT enjoy T-54 no matter if it is a good tank or not.
About the french meds.
The results depend from each player's style of game.
For example i like to use the tanks as they were used in real.
There for T-54 must be a close combat fast asault tank (like the steppe horsearchers in middle ages) and NOT a sniper.
In a close combat of a T-54 (stats again based on the previus patch because i do not trust WoT to buy gold again to re-buy T-54 if its not realy worth it)
with a AMX-13-75.
With d-54 gun on amx's frontal armor you could give it a damage that could cost it around 30% or even 40% of AMX's life.
But that tank with 5 75mm hits around you in th esame time you load ONE(1) shell in your gun leaves you dead to enjoy the other players battle!

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 02 April 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

My friend my expirience on the T-54 RELIED ON 0.7.1 patch (i posted a detailed example in an other thread about the finansial issues)
I bought T-54 by selling 5 tanks and by buying gold and after 5 milion credits and 205 battles i sold it..
I could not damage the tanks i mentioned (not sure about the new patch) and some times i could not even harm Type 59 and other tier 7 meds and heavies.
In the case i destroyed some...i had a full credit bankcrupcy .
I have a standard free account.
In patch 0.7.1
Destroyed 5 enemy tanks
I survived
I was in the winning team
I gained 25000 credits
I payed for damages 20000 credits
I payed for ammo 24000 cedits
As you can see in the previus patch even in such a battle like mine you had a loss of income arround 45%!!
Even now if its true about a 10% increase of gaining income then in a standard -non premium- acount the player like me
would gain 27500 credits but even then he has a loss of income around 39% !
A non premium customer CAN NOT enjoy T-54 no matter if it is a good tank or not.
About the french meds.
The results depend from each player's style of game.
For example i like to use the tanks as they were used in real.
There for T-54 must be a close combat fast asault tank (like the steppe horsearchers in middle ages) and NOT a sniper.
In a close combat of a T-54 (stats again based on the previus patch because i do not trust WoT to buy gold again to re-buy T-54 if its not realy worth it)
with a AMX-13-75.
With d-54 gun on amx's frontal armor you could give it a damage that could cost it around 30% or even 40% of AMX's life.
But that tank with 5 75mm hits around you in th esame time you load ONE(1) shell in your gun leaves you dead to enjoy the other players battle!

You are a classic case of playing a tank for what you want it to be instead of what it is.

Anthoniusii #24 Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:10 PM

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View Postgomolj, on 02 April 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

You are a classic case of playing a tank for what you want it to be instead of what it is.

I am a weapon system historical researcher from 3000BC to modern days.
What are you?
I do not want T-54 to suit in my needs. I use it with those Soviet clasic tactics that made that tank to exist  in 1st place.

tomatojim #25 Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:28 PM

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@Anthoniusii
and again: could you please explain how 6 rounds á 135 damage kill a T54 (even if they all penetrate, which is unlikely)?

Kusteeh #26 Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:32 PM

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you better use a heavy tank because it seems you have no clue how to play a medium, also you talk about amx like it is good. It shows clearly you dont play matches where you must keep your position, not any french capable of that and not any amx can penetrate T-54. If you show them you side/rear thats your fault only and you cannot use traverse well enough. For the costs it is expensive but only the ammo price. Still if you do good rounds you are able to profit with it even though you get knocked out...

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 02 April 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

I am a weapon system historical researcher from 3000BC to modern days.
What are you?
I do not want T-54 to suit in my needs. I use it with those Soviet clasic tactics that made that tank to exist  in 1st place.

Yes, but this is not a historical game but an arcade shooter with simulation like features.

Trust me: Play T-54 like a mobile sniper / scout. If you meet heavies, prefer running away or delay the enemy while waiting for your heavies to arrive. Do not directly attack unless you are sure the enemy is targetting someone else.

Anthoniusii #28 Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:48 PM

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View PostKusteeh, on 02 April 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

you better use a heavy tank because it seems you have no clue how to play a medium, also you talk about amx like it is good. It shows clearly you dont play matches where you must keep your position, not any french capable of that and not any amx can penetrate T-54. If you show them you side/rear thats your fault only and you cannot use traverse well enough. For the costs it is expensive but only the ammo price. Still if you do good rounds you are able to profit with it even though you get knocked out...

Lets see ..Battles 5009
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T-34 battles 837
Panther  battles 606
Panther II battles 416
T-44  battles 428
T-54 battles 205
T-34-85 battles 358
VK 3601 H battles 314
You are right i do not know how to play a medium.
I am not one of these guys that hide behind rocks and buildings waiting to snipe someone or afraid to scratch their tank painting ...
You are right...i do not have a clue...

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 02 April 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

I am a weapon system historical researcher from 3000BC to modern days.
What are you?
I do not want T-54 to suit in my needs. I use it with those Soviet clasic tactics that made that tank to exist  in 1st place.

I am a senior complex system integerator on the fire control computer of the latest T-90 and I hold a PhD in mathematics/history/psychology. Also I am Elvis Presley.
You are a guy in front of a computer who, for God know what reason, built up an image of a tank in his head that had little to do with the actual in-game tank. He then foolishly sold off a bunch of other tanks to get the T-54 he had in his head. So then reality shows its ugly head. The tank you got wasnt the same OP tank you had in your head. You couldnt accept that, you couldnt adopt to the T-54 so you got bitter and sold it. Ever since that you spill your bitterness in every single T-54 topic on the forum. Yet a simple fact remains.. You are just a guy who wasnt good enough to make the cut in the T-54 and that is OK. There are a lot easier tanks for you to play.

Kusteeh #30 Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

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lol dude i have T-54 for a week and i already have more matches with it than you. also i maxed it out from 200 battles...
just scroll up a bit and check my uploaded picture. Even without premium it is 1330 xp and 53,3K credits.

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lol whats this? works perfectly as a scout in malinovka

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 01 April 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Are we talking about T-54 here? Are you sure?
We are talking about that tank that fights ALWAYS against tier 9 or tier 10 heavies that CAN NOT harm until some other heavy has damaged them
beyond 60%?
Are we talking about the T-54 with that "beast" gun  D-54 that has LESS penetration and makes LESS damage comparing with other tier 8 and tier 9 medium' tanks guns
but still a single shell costs 1230 credits each?
Are we talking about that T-54 that can not harm IS-4 or E-75 and it can be destroyed by AMX-13-75 in 20 secs?
Are you sure that we are talking about the same tank?



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Ok, you had nice game, gj!

Also, what does that demonstrate?:D

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Well, i've read through the comments and I cannot believe some of the nonsense im reading.

First off, a T-54 will never be penetrated upfront by an amx 13-75/90. And dont say that you can get flanked by them, because the T-54 turns way faster than they can get around you. And with the D-54 gun, you can in fact damage every tank ingame. Ofcourse you shouldn't be aiming for the upper hull on the E-75 or the gun mantlet of the T-32 or whatever. Most of the tanks hulls you can penetrate, even the new T110's superior front hull armor, can be penetrated with the gun on the lower glacis with about 60~% chance. IF you see a maus infront of you, please dont try to stay in front of him and try to shoot that tiny lower glacis that will most likely bounce your shot anyway, but use your speed and agility to get to his side or behind him, and shoot all you want, every shot will pen. If there are other enemies behind him, then you shouldn't be there and retreat. Playing a medium like the T-54 is all about finding opportunities to circle a lone enemy, or flank a group that's focused on others. You are not a front line tank, you are the support tank. Want to be the guy that sits there in front, bouncing shots, and dealing big damage? Get yourself any high tier heavy tank.

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I love the T54 , could do with cheaper ammo though since it does a little less damage and expends alot of ammo with its ROF.

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View Postmamlas, on 02 April 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Ok, you had nice game, gj!

Also, what does that demonstrate?:D
That good games happen. From time to time. And if they actually happen you'll get a whooping 3000 credits. And beware of toughing your consumables! because you will also have to pay for your good game.
I'd say people should post screen shots of normal games or bad ones. they happen more often. And posting one good score and saying everything is grand is just bollix.

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 02 April 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

I could not damage the tanks i mentioned (not sure about the new patch) and some times i could not even harm Type 59 and other tier 7 meds and heavies.

I think that this quote sums up your problems. If you are having trouble against type 59s and tier 7 meds and heavies you really need to learn to play the game better, it's not an issue with the tank but with yourself.

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View PostPedro79, on 02 April 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:



From the earning of the ammount of credits i believe you have a premium account.
With more killed tanks (5) i earned half of your credits.
And spend 20% more credits than you...
Do not compare premium with no premium accounts.
It makes a huge matter.

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 03 April 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

From the earning of the ammount of credits i believe you have a premium account.
With more killed tanks (5) i earned half of your credits.
And spend 20% more credits than you...
Do not compare premium with no premium accounts.
It makes a huge matter.

maybe he's playing premium, you can't know that without replay, but kills alone don't give you much credits. it's only damage, and shooting 3 tanks from 100% to 30% (for example) gives you much more credits than killing 5 tanks with 5% HP. you can't infer from kills to credits.




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