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Pedro79 #41 Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 03 April 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

From the earning of the ammount of credits i believe you have a premium account.
With more killed tanks (5) i earned half of your credits.
And spend 20% more credits than you...
Do not compare premium with no premium accounts.
It makes a huge matter.


FAIL.

I do not have got premium account and never had.

Pedro79 #42 Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:31 PM

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View Posttomatojim, on 03 April 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

maybe he's playing premium, you can't know that without replay, but kills alone don't give you much credits. it's only damage, and shooting 3 tanks from 100% to 30% (for example) gives you much more credits than killing 5 tanks with 5% HP. you can't infer from kills to credits.

I dont have premium as i wrote above. And yea damage matters kills doesnt. I killed one of the T110E5 alone from 100%hp. Batchat and other one T110E5 was on low hp. Cant remember the T92.

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My whole respect for this tank has been lost with this patch.

88mm long (203 pen one) goes through my front armor with 90% efficiency.
100mm (232 pen french one) goes through my front TURRET easily all the time
6h of game today with T-54 mostly and 9 times my ammo rack has blown up.(I have the perk on my loader that increases the ammo rack HP on 100%)
50%+ of shots taken damages my ammo rack and/or turret.

these are the facts that were not spotted in 7.1 game version.
All tested.

No stealth nerfs? still a great tank for skilled medium driver? I dare any of u to test my skill on this tank if u think these are cries only.`
I disagree on the whole line.
I will wait some time before skilling my crew further more. 4 skills is enough for a gold paper tank.
As a spotter u can play better with Bat or t-50-2. It's a brawler with the lowest view range so no speaking of spotter role with T-54.

MACtic #44 Posted 05 April 2012 - 12:00 AM

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I get you man. I love this tank but I'm having real problems enjoying it. I don't know what's wrong with this tank. I play it quite well but despite my efforts my team looses most of the time (today is the worst). I mean I was Top Gun, Boelther's medal today yet still my team lost. I got better with this tank in time and now I'm getting 2-3 kills a game but it doesn't make a difference.
This tank should have average 320 penetration yet I usually get below that. Unlucky rolls all the time???? I get almost the same damage per shot as on my Type.
I don't get it. Playing Type I have great time and 60%win ratio but somehow playing t54 I can't win that much.
And the mobility, I mean what happened? It really has slow acceleration. I invested in Vests, BIA, skills to make it most agile but it is still far from what is was before.
If you look at my stats (in game) you will see how many Steel Walls I had on Type and how many on t-54. And it goes for other medals as well. wtf? Just look at the amount of medals per tank. Type is weaker yet I get more kills on it and more medals and stuff compared to better tank? Something is really wrong here.
It is a shame what they did to this tank.

tomatojim #45 Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:17 AM

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View PostMACtic, on 05 April 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

I get you man. I love this tank but I'm having real problems enjoying it. I don't know what's wrong with this tank. I play it quite well but despite my efforts my team looses most of the time (today is the worst). I mean I was Top Gun, Boelther's medal today yet still my team lost. I got better with this tank in time and now I'm getting 2-3 kills a game but it doesn't make a difference.
This tank should have average 320 penetration yet I usually get below that. Unlucky rolls all the time???? I get almost the same damage per shot as on my Type.
I don't get it. Playing Type I have great time and 60%win ratio but somehow playing t54 I can't win that much.
And the mobility, I mean what happened? It really has slow acceleration. I invested in Vests, BIA, skills to make it most agile but it is still far from what is was before.
If you look at my stats (in game) you will see how many Steel Walls I had on Type and how many on t-54. And it goes for other medals as well. wtf? Just look at the amount of medals per tank. Type is weaker yet I get more kills on it and more medals and stuff compared to better tank? Something is really wrong here.
It is a shame what they did to this tank.

the fact that you get a lot more medals in your Type is that it has a way lower matchmaking. how many times do have t6 or t7 shooting your frontplate or turret in T54 compared with Type? T54 is still a far better tank, but it has much tougher opponents as well.

MACtic #46 Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:22 AM

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Yes but the tier spread was changed and I played a lot since then. A lot of people haven't been playing that much after the tier spread change but I still do. Tier spread is the same as for t-54 now yet I still have a feeling that Type is a very solid tank as opposed to t-54 which is strange.
Somebody could say that I'm more relaxed playing Type due to it always gaining money but this is not the issue. I have more credits than I need.
T-54 just doesn't feel up to the specs that It should have. Also I find difference in the amount of critical damage I get on both tanks. There's a value for every module HP (i.e. engine or ammo rack HP) and I think t-54 has low numbers that's why it gets more module damage.
Shame that we can't see those values(Same goes for camo values btw).

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View PostMyImmortal, on 04 April 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

my stats 1st
almost 1.5k battles on T-54 here
Average 600 exp
Max expa 2600 (short prem period)
80% accuracy (shooting during driving all the time)
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7.2
My whole respect for this tank has been lost with this patch.

88mm long (203 pen one) goes through my front armor with 90% efficiency.
100mm (232 pen french one) goes through my front TURRET easily all the time
6h of game today with T-54 mostly and 9 times my ammo rack has blown up.(I have the perk on my loader that increases the ammo rack HP on 100%)
50%+ of shots taken damages my ammo rack and/or turret.

these are the facts that were not spotted in 7.1 game version.
All tested.

No stealth nerfs? still a great tank for skilled medium driver? I dare any of u to test my skill on this tank if u think these are cries only.`
I disagree on the whole line.
I will wait some time before skilling my crew further more. 4 skills is enough for a gold paper tank.
As a spotter u can play better with Bat or t-50-2. It's a brawler with the lowest view range so no speaking of spotter role with T-54.

And yet you only deal ~1230avg dmg with the T54... and tbh this is kinda bad, so even after 1700 battles your skill with the T54 is not where it should be, you bounce a lot, which means you don't know where to shot tanks.

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View PostHornet331, on 05 April 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

And yet you only deal ~1230avg dmg with the T54... and tbh this is kinda bad, so even after 1700 battles your skill with the T54 is not where it should be, you bounce a lot, which means you don't know where to shot tanks.
But he's far from being bad so I don't get your point.

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View PostMACtic, on 05 April 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Yes but the tier spread was changed and I played a lot since then. A lot of people haven't been playing that much after the tier spread change but I still do. Tier spread is the same as for t-54 now yet I still have a feeling that Type is a very solid tank as opposed to t-54 which is strange.
Somebody could say that I'm more relaxed playing Type due to it always gaining money but this is not the issue. I have more credits than I need.
T-54 just doesn't feel up to the specs that It should have. Also I find difference in the amount of critical damage I get on both tanks. There's a value for every module HP (i.e. engine or ammo rack HP) and I think t-54 has low numbers that's why it gets more module damage.
Shame that we can't see those values(Same goes for camo values btw).

yes, you can meet t10 now in Type, but the MM is still much tougher for T54, Type has battle tiers 9-11, and T54 11-13, the SAME as t10 heavies.

Hornet331 #50 Posted 05 April 2012 - 02:03 PM

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He says hes a pro with the t54.. Yet he has less avg dmg then I do in a T7 medium. He lacks effectiveness and high hitrate with low avg dmg point to the fact that he bounces very often.

I haven't seen any changes from 7.1 at all. even before 7.2 you could penetrate the T54 with the L71 and was pretty much always penetrated by T10 guns from the front when you are closer then 200m.

Also it has been ages since i got ammo racked in my T54 ever since the general ammo rack buff of russian meds. before it was ~10% rate

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Seems fine to me, but I am sad to see a higher profile in 7.2 - a small nerf on the T-54s primary attribute.

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View PostHornet331, on 05 April 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

And yet you only deal ~1230avg dmg with the T54... and tbh this is kinda bad, so even after 1700 battles your skill with the T54 is not where it should be, you bounce a lot, which means you don't know where to shot tanks.
Try me.


I just try to not shot at all if thats not a critical situation.
just bcoz of the ammo costs.
If I have shitty gun with shitty dmg why should i have Far better dmg per battle?
let the heavies and arty do the dmg.
Killing 2 artys or 1 heavy defending them is much more than my team need to win the battle.
So in my personal opinion damage per battle is the less important for T-54.
Still i think i am the guy with the T-54, You dont wanna meet on the field.
... and you dont know the tank itself. the worst t9 gun means the worst usage of it imho.

show us your stats then. writing doesnt cost.

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I think someone in beta calculated that shooting Tigers and below would end up negative in silver lol

Calculating dmg per battle is not saying much about skill/usefulness/game-winning.

Hornet331 #54 Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

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you can see my stats ingame, I dont need to brag about them and dmg per battle is still valid. A T54 pretty much always meets T9 heavies or T9 mediums.
If you only have 1200 avg dmg that means you are not killing a other T9 tank, while with 1800avg dmg it means you do.

Also I pretty much know my stuff about the T54 else I couldn't handle him. "Worse gun" mean nothing if all of them are pretty much similar. As mentioned many times, what really kills the T54 is ammo cost.

bgraczyk #55 Posted 07 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

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the tank is not bad ,but could do with a better gun :Smile-playing:

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View PostHornet331, on 06 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

you can see my stats ingame, I dont need to brag about them and dmg per battle is still valid. A T54 pretty much always meets T9 heavies or T9 mediums.
If you only have 1200 avg dmg that means you are not killing a other T9 tank, while with 1800avg dmg it means you do.

Also I pretty much know my stuff about the T54 else I couldn't handle him. "Worse gun" mean nothing if all of them are pretty much similar. As mentioned many times, what really kills the T54 is ammo cost.

You are not able to kill E50 or Patton in any terms.
1on1 ofc. 2on2 3on3 and so on.
T-54 is average in all spd/agi/acc/armor but it HAS the worst gun, totally no depression, longest aim time and less HP. what is similar in that? are you blind or stupid? One of these for sure.
ALSO
DPMs on these guns aren't similar. T-54 has the worst.

Maximum Speed
1.E50
2.T-54
3.Patton

Agility
1.Patton
2.T-54
3.E50

Acceleration
1. T-54 and Patton (its 1% difference)
3. E50 not much slower acceleration than these 2.

Armor
1. E50 - for Sure
2. T-54
3. Patton


@ as for the dmg per battle i've told you already it's not medium role to KILL or Damage anyone on his tier. Go play td or HT if u need high dmg per battle or even go arty not my problem.

btw. next 7 blow ups today one made by chaffee from ~1500 hp.

I would like to know your nick to check in game. Will see if you are so experienced to talk about anything in here.

LeeTErik #57 Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:54 AM

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I just say lol... i play my T-54 as a scout/rush tank and i still got 2200+ avg damage per battle and you guys talking about 1200 average? Every tier9 med under 2000dmg is epic fail, yes Patton does more dmg, but has no armor, so dies faster if french tanks engage him. I dont know how you can do 1200dmg in T-54, no idea, but the problem is in you, not in the T-54. I dont belive you really didnt get the point, that you use your tank wrong... i was blown up 2 times in T-54, you can see how much battles i played, one blow up was from a T30, he shoot my back (first 10 games in T-54) the other was from a Tiger2 like a month ago. No idea how you blow up every time, but i guess you show your side to the enemy, and that is a big problem. Every tier9 med is good, i got only Bat, Patton, T-54, but all 3 of them is good in his role (i dont like the Bat) and with T-54 you can kill every single tier9 med 1v1 (not every time, all depends on driver), if you cant, well then its your problem.

Ohh and you can see my stats, to see if im any good to talk about anything here.

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View Postdiegho, on 08 April 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Every tier9 med under 2000dmg is epic fail

You're not being realistic. 1200 average damage with the T-54 is average performance. You have a 64% win rate with the T-54, which is off the charts. You are calling some 90% of the T-54 battles an epic fail.

I'd love to see you upload some of your T-54 replays. That would be nice. And helpful.

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The T54 is a great medium and always will be .It should be uses as a flanker/scout not for playing peekaboo with a Teir9/10 heavy . Use it properly andit will reward you , mess up and your toast > If it gets up close and personal to any teir heavy in open ground it should win "its a bit harder with the frenchies" HE all the way sides/back .Even a batchat will cook if you can make it bounce 1 shot and that shouldn't be a problem if your up close . So what if it sucks credits it's still my favourite tank in the game. http://www.filefacto...ville_wotreplay

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View PostMyImmortal, on 08 April 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

I would like to know your nick to check in game. Will see if you are so experienced to talk about anything in here.

not sure if troll...

how about clicking on the name here right now on the forum...  http://cdn-frm-eu.wa...mile_mellow.gif

View Postdiegho, on 08 April 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

I just say lol... i play my T-54 as a scout/rush tank and i still got 2200+ avg damage per battle and you guys talking about 1200 average? Every tier9 med under 2000dmg is epic fail, yes Patton does more dmg, but has no armor, so dies faster if french tanks engage him. I dont know how you can do 1200dmg in T-54, no idea, but the problem is in you, not in the T-54. I dont belive you really didnt get the point, that you use your tank wrong... i was blown up 2 times in T-54, you can see how much battles i played, one blow up was from a T30, he shoot my back (first 10 games in T-54) the other was from a Tiger2 like a month ago. No idea how you blow up every time, but i guess you show your side to the enemy, and that is a big problem. Every tier9 med is good, i got only Bat, Patton, T-54, but all 3 of them is good in his role (i dont like the Bat) and with T-54 you can kill every single tier9 med 1v1 (not every time, all depends on driver), if you cant, well then its your problem.

I agree with most of the stuff, though I wouldn't call everything under 2000 avg dmg "fail". When you play a T54 more "scouty" and just sit there to spot you still can get your 1000+xp (with free account), help your team to win, but your avg dmg suffers.
But yes I also agree 1200 avg dmg is subpar for a T9 medium (and I already have said that) http://forum.worldof...mile-tongue.gif




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